Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Tuesday 6th March 2018
Morning all.
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Voter ID trials 'risk disenfranchising vulnerable people'
Not all polling booths are accessible and they areputting barriers up..Hopefully,such obvious attempts to deny will backfire.
Voter ID trials 'risk disenfranchising vulnerable people'
Not all polling booths are accessible and they areputting barriers up..Hopefully,such obvious attempts to deny will backfire.
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Hundreds of mental health patients dying after NHS care failures
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Councils still without extra powers to crack down on empty homes
Councils still without extra powers to crack down on empty homes
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https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/how-d ... -in-person" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ble-people
Voter ID trials 'risk disenfranchising vulnerable people'
Not all polling booths are accessible and they areputting barriers up..Hopefully,such obvious attempts to deny will backfire.
They're not kidding, they really are quite different, Bromley will allow various Id such as bank card, council tax bill etc,In May 2018, if you are voting in Bromley, Gosport, Swindon, Watford or Woking you will need to take ID with you to the polling station to vote in the local elections. Without it you won’t be able to vote.
The ID requirements are different in the different council areas. If you live in one of the five council areas, you can find out what the ID requirements are where you live by visiting the relevant council website:
Swindon won't but will accept poll card (or someone else vouching for you)
Gosport looks a bit unrealistic:
https://www.gosport.gov.uk/sections/you ... /identity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Instead of bringing other forms of ID, you can apply for an Electoral Identity Letter to use in any borough polling station. There's no charge.
Step 1
First you will need to photograph or scan your documents and save them on your smart phone, tablet or computer.
Step 2
Now complete the Electoral Identity Letter Application Form with your details. (Please ensure you add your email address to ensure delivery of a confirmation receipt).
At the bottom of the form, there is a button that says 'Browse'. Select this and you will be able to browse your documents to attach them to the form.
Step 3
Select the 'Add another' button for each additional document you want to send us, then select the 'Submit' button. You will then be sent a confirmation email.
What then happens
The Returning Officer and his staff will then use the information you have provided to confirm your identity. This could be using current Borough Council records and systems, contacting other Local Authorities or Government organisations to make these checks.
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Don’t let this university wrecking government masquerade as reformers
Peter Scott
Don’t let this university wrecking government masquerade as reformers
Peter Scott
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Brexit as a Mobius strip.
(Sorry if it stretches the page)
(Sorry if it stretches the page)
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It hasn't just stretched the page, when I get to the bottom I find I'm round the back of my computer
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Morning all
I see IDS has been talking nonsense again
Are some people really stupid
His latest contention is that Barnier is causing 'lots of anger in Europe' over the Irish border as they seem to think that the sequencing is so unfair to the UK as it is inextricably linked to a future trade deal
The problem is that IDS seems to be lacking a few brain cells
The EU position seems clear, fair and sensible
The EU has decided to legally guarantee no Irish border. If no deal that allows this to happen then the December Agreement principles kick in and the backstop is triggered
The UK maintain they can find a solution through trade deals or unicorns and fairydust.......there is no need for them to define the details now
The EU has actually allowed the UK time to define these because it doesn't need them now because of the legal clause in the WA
If there was no legal clause then the EU could demand the detail of wehat the UK proposes and if nothing was offered, refuse to sign the WA
There are a few issues now on this.
1. what is the legal definition of a 'hard border' in this context (see discussions passim)?
2. who decides if the definition has been met? I expect it will be the ECJ....see that going down well
3. how does the UK respond if NI stays in the current structures and whether the DUP will demand no Irish Sea border is in the WA or not?
The DUP says that everyone agreed no border in the Irish Sea - I don't think they meant everyone really - they meant May offered it as a way to save her bacon. The EU are not interested as it is an internal UK question as to whether NI sits behind an internal UK border or not.
So we could have a situation where the UK is not able to guarantee a sift border so the legal fall-back is triggered, and we have another cléause that states that there will be no border in the Irish Sea - so the only option would be for BINO.......
Personally, I think that we will know what will happen when the finaldraft of the WA is signed - if the 'hard border' definition is pretty much anything that is not the status quo then I think we are in the for a whole lot of trouble......I cannot see any solution being agreed
What a shambles this lot it
I see IDS has been talking nonsense again
Are some people really stupid
His latest contention is that Barnier is causing 'lots of anger in Europe' over the Irish border as they seem to think that the sequencing is so unfair to the UK as it is inextricably linked to a future trade deal
The problem is that IDS seems to be lacking a few brain cells
The EU position seems clear, fair and sensible
The EU has decided to legally guarantee no Irish border. If no deal that allows this to happen then the December Agreement principles kick in and the backstop is triggered
The UK maintain they can find a solution through trade deals or unicorns and fairydust.......there is no need for them to define the details now
The EU has actually allowed the UK time to define these because it doesn't need them now because of the legal clause in the WA
If there was no legal clause then the EU could demand the detail of wehat the UK proposes and if nothing was offered, refuse to sign the WA
There are a few issues now on this.
1. what is the legal definition of a 'hard border' in this context (see discussions passim)?
2. who decides if the definition has been met? I expect it will be the ECJ....see that going down well
3. how does the UK respond if NI stays in the current structures and whether the DUP will demand no Irish Sea border is in the WA or not?
The DUP says that everyone agreed no border in the Irish Sea - I don't think they meant everyone really - they meant May offered it as a way to save her bacon. The EU are not interested as it is an internal UK question as to whether NI sits behind an internal UK border or not.
So we could have a situation where the UK is not able to guarantee a sift border so the legal fall-back is triggered, and we have another cléause that states that there will be no border in the Irish Sea - so the only option would be for BINO.......
Personally, I think that we will know what will happen when the finaldraft of the WA is signed - if the 'hard border' definition is pretty much anything that is not the status quo then I think we are in the for a whole lot of trouble......I cannot see any solution being agreed
What a shambles this lot it
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Agreed
As JA said the other day it's not tenable for anyone. Just imagine the first fence post being placed or the first camera being installed.
It's inconceivable.
Agreed
As JA said the other day it's not tenable for anyone. Just imagine the first fence post being placed or the first camera being installed.
It's inconceivable.
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Morning all.
Talking of a shambles...pretty much describes this morning's swimming. Coach arrived 20 minutes late. Parked the wrong way round so pupils had to go into the road to board. Went what I would say was the wrong way and ended up in the usual morning traffic jam. Result - 10 minute swimming lesson.
And I'm off to Oxford again later so won't be around much this week.
Talking of a shambles...pretty much describes this morning's swimming. Coach arrived 20 minutes late. Parked the wrong way round so pupils had to go into the road to board. Went what I would say was the wrong way and ended up in the usual morning traffic jam. Result - 10 minute swimming lesson.
And I'm off to Oxford again later so won't be around much this week.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Still, none of them seem to be following the original hideous Pickles recommendation, which is that only a passport or driving licence would be acceptable.tinybgoat wrote:https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/how-d ... -in-person" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ble-people
Voter ID trials 'risk disenfranchising vulnerable people'
Not all polling booths are accessible and they areputting barriers up..Hopefully,such obvious attempts to deny will backfire.They're not kidding, they really are quite different, Bromley will allow various Id such as bank card, council tax bill etc,In May 2018, if you are voting in Bromley, Gosport, Swindon, Watford or Woking you will need to take ID with you to the polling station to vote in the local elections. Without it you won’t be able to vote.
The ID requirements are different in the different council areas. If you live in one of the five council areas, you can find out what the ID requirements are where you live by visiting the relevant council website:
Swindon won't but will accept poll card (or someone else vouching for you)
Gosport looks a bit unrealistic:
https://www.gosport.gov.uk/sections/you ... /identity/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Instead of bringing other forms of ID, you can apply for an Electoral Identity Letter to use in any borough polling station. There's no charge.
Step 1
First you will need to photograph or scan your documents and save them on your smart phone, tablet or computer.
Step 2
Now complete the Electoral Identity Letter Application Form with your details. (Please ensure you add your email address to ensure delivery of a confirmation receipt).
At the bottom of the form, there is a button that says 'Browse'. Select this and you will be able to browse your documents to attach them to the form.
Step 3
Select the 'Add another' button for each additional document you want to send us, then select the 'Submit' button. You will then be sent a confirmation email.
What then happens
The Returning Officer and his staff will then use the information you have provided to confirm your identity. This could be using current Borough Council records and systems, contacting other Local Authorities or Government organisations to make these checks.
(there are still a large number of people without either)
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https://www.woking.gov.uk/council/voterID" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;AnatolyKasparov wrote:Still, none of them seem to be following the original hideous Pickles recommendation, which is that only a passport or driving licence would be acceptable.tinybgoat wrote: ... voter ID. checks...
(there are still a large number of people without either)
Woking comes closest, it insists on photo Id. but allows a range of documents (railcards,bus passes etc) & states that expired passports are ok.
Also can apply for free 'elector card', but failing this, last resort is postal vote - which I'd have thought was potentially more open to fraud anyway.
(edit, don't drive, but have an expired passport)
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???Nigel Dodds, the DUP’s leader in Westminster, added: “It’s somewhat ironic to talk about wanting to remove any checks between the border of NI and the Irish Republic and then the EU to suggest we should set up checks and another border between one part of the UK and another part of the UK. It’s driving a coach and horses through the EU’s principles of no hard borders
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Mental health deaths: calls for inquiry into NHS failings
Mental health deaths: calls for inquiry into NHS failings
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She does know Ireland isn't part of the UK, right?tinybgoat wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 41946.html???Nigel Dodds, the DUP’s leader in Westminster, added: “It’s somewhat ironic to talk about wanting to remove any checks between the border of NI and the Irish Republic and then the EU to suggest we should set up checks and another border between one part of the UK and another part of the UK. It’s driving a coach and horses through the EU’s principles of no hard borders
Edited to apologise for posting too soon prior re-reading
It's not Arlene speaking, it's not an Ireland-UK border questioned, the problem is Dodds not understanding hard borders aren't an EU problem. What I mean by 'not an EU problem' is a hard border requirement is a function of the UK leaving its current trade agreements without negotiating new ones. The World Trade Organisation (WTO) requires a hard border.
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It's not okay nowPaulfromYorkshire wrote:@HSOM
Agreed
As JA said the other day it's not tenable for anyone. Just imagine the first fence post being placed or the first camera being installed.
It's inconceivable.
The situation can change rapidly
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That voter identity proof, different rules, different places, it's wrong, it's how Tories stay elected
It effectively disenfranchises many
It effectively disenfranchises many
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Vulnerable children forced into homelessness as local authorities routinely ignore child protection laws
Vulnerable children forced into homelessness as local authorities routinely ignore child protection laws
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NHS-funded nursing care rate announced for 2018 to 2019
NHS-funded nursing care rate announced for 2018 to 2019
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CMA care homes market study: government response
Government response to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) final report on the care homes market.
CMA care homes market study: government response
Government response to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) final report on the care homes market.
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Government response: SSAC report on in-work progression and Universal Credit
(Removal of possibility of work in what was our case "irony")
Government response: SSAC report on in-work progression and Universal Credit
(Removal of possibility of work in what was our case "irony")
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Life isn't static, it's fluid
Look what happened after May called for a GE in 2017, for an example
Events create change
Look what happened after May called for a GE in 2017, for an example
Events create change
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How dare you not "conform"!!!
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Increase the disregard of course,the sane and obvious solution but off benefits obsessive stupidity reigns supreme.
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It's a hard day for me, brotherHindleA wrote:Increase the disregard of course,the sane and obvious solution but off benefits obsessive stupidity reigns supreme.
Could you write a bit more explaining what you mean here, please?
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But of course many policies create needlessly the need for benefits,particularly the continued residualisation of contributory,social care before you get to extra costs allowance.We avoided means tested for some time.Certainly now would have been earlier,higher rate and relinquishing employment far earlier.
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And when circumstances changed again,"transition" in place and on assumption no need for benefits.It worked as it should,wouldn't be the case now.
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Due to hardly unique circumstances I could only work a few hours a week at best(not expected to ),you used to be able get housing support as income (£30 p.w average-ours was less)In our case £20 of earnings (plus half work pension contribution) was disregarded in benefit calculation-not many do it but it was a manner in which to increase income,keep employed,pay towards pension when the hours of being able to work were uncertain ie a base.
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Ie they've needlessly made it binary.
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Tory policy needs itHindleA wrote:Ie they've needlessly made it binary.
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It's not through lack of tryingHindleA wrote:How dare you not "conform"!!!
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Hence my increasing view that boosting extra costs allowance/NHS route for accounting for housing costs in own home self/care may be the better route,given non distinction/getting caughtup in the "benefit' thing.
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(cJA bold)HindleA wrote:Hence my increasing view that boosting extra costs allowance/NHS route for accounting for housing costs in own home self/care may be the better route,given non distinction/getting caughtup in the "benefit' thing.
Apologies, please explain more, I don't understand the bold bit.
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I was in my 30's before even thinking about a mortgage did live in work in a shoebox for some years atno stage did I think it unfair that a sick/disabled/carer getting a few quid a week towards their housing costs.It's a weird psychology to me,to potentially remove support from your future self on the basis of totally different circumstances.
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You've thoroughly internalised the fact you and others are all equally important, worthy of consideration and support as needed.HindleA wrote:I was in my 30's before even thinking about a mortgage did live in work in a shoebox for some years atno stage did I think it unfair that a sick/disabled/carer getting a few quid a week towards their housing costs.It's a weird psychology to me,to potentially remove support from your future self on the basis of totally different circumstances.
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Have fun.....RogerOThornhill wrote: And I'm off to Oxford again later so won't be around much this week
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Some account for housing costs-given vast cost saving,supposed preferred direction of travel in own home care/self care,either enhanced bespoke PIP/DLA or health/social care budget -dialysis a good example -the NHS contributed,automatic DLA,CT reduction for room etc.Of course we still paid the mortgage partly via DLA,my fear as ever ',extra costs allowance' the excuse to remove even further.
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“...the Tory Party...condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation. Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through.”
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Doing my bit to decrease the Labour vote here on Sunday door knocking,when I get to myself I've asked Tarquin to "be easy".
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Red dressing gown.
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Constance looking like the cat that got the cream,probably because she just has.
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I volunteer to help vulnerable people the jobcentre lets down
(Made vulnerable)
I volunteer to help vulnerable people the jobcentre lets down
(Made vulnerable)
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@cja "enlightened self interest",I don't like the "intergenerational fairness" divisive stuff,or the comparative fairness reduction for others technique in general,it is hateful before you get to the fact that many ascribed get hit that don't fit into the easy fit categories.Most noticeably the presentation of social care as "an elderly problem"
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Its gone quiet in here again.......
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"Ousted UKIP leader Henry Bolton 'to set up new party'"
"Ousted UKIP leader Henry Bolton 'to set up new party'"
In an explanation of the need for a new party, Mr Bolton said: "There is a need for a truly professional political party that believes in Britain, that preserves our national identity, culture, heritage and confidence and talks our great nation up rather than down; a party dedicated to the full independence of the UK in all areas of law, government and public administration."
He added that UKIP had held that position until the 2016 referendum.