We need a new word. "Omnishambles" just doesn't cut it anymore. Extraordinary, really.May's cabinet still squabbling as Chequers Brexit meeting looms
Monday 2nd July 2018
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Monday 2nd July 2018
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Snafu is not really strong enough either, how about FUBAR ?Willow904 wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ssion=true
We need a new word. "Omnishambles" just doesn't cut it anymore. Extraordinary, really.May's cabinet still squabbling as Chequers Brexit meeting looms
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If only.Simon Hoare MP
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He's one of the newer MPs tbf.
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Cake news:
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"UK's latest Brexit proposal is unrealistic, say EU officials"
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"UK's latest Brexit proposal is unrealistic, say EU officials"
The prime minister is gathering her squabbling ministers at Chequers on Friday for a one-day discussion to thrash out the UK’s future relationship with the EU. But EU sources who have seen drafts of the long-awaited British white paper said the proposals would never be accepted.
“We read the white paper and we read ‘cake’,” an EU official told the Guardian
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From the G live blog.Rees-Mogg triggers backlash from fellow Tories angry at his 'blackmail' threat to PM
Several remain-voting Conservative MPs, including ministers, have used Twitter to condemn Jacob Rees-Mogg for threatening the prime ministers.
Have the Eurosceptic hard liners overplayed their hand?
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Certainly high time that your MP had their bluff called (and yes, it is largely a bluff IMO)
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“” In response, Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, said of the Brits: “They want to have their cake, eat it, and get a smile from the baker.”tinybgoat wrote:Cake news:
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"UK's latest Brexit proposal is unrealistic, say EU officials"The prime minister is gathering her squabbling ministers at Chequers on Friday for a one-day discussion to thrash out the UK’s future relationship with the EU. But EU sources who have seen drafts of the long-awaited British white paper said the proposals would never be accepted.
“We read the white paper and we read ‘cake’,” an EU official told the Guardian
He certainly cleaned that one up ! The french original is somewhat ruder, does anyone know it ?
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Policy Exchange: housing speech
hard to fathom out the mental convolutions necessary before you get to the total abnegation of your own responsibilty in creating by design the very situation(s)
supposedly addressed.
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Brokenshire = Loadabullshit !
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JRM getting a good kicking from his internal Tory critics today, I see.
FINALLY.
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Suspect this hasn't sunk low enough (but heading in the right direction)?frog222 wrote:“” In response, Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, said of the Brits: “They want to have their cake, eat it, and get a smile from the baker.”tinybgoat wrote:Cake news:
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"UK's latest Brexit proposal is unrealistic, say EU officials"The prime minister is gathering her squabbling ministers at Chequers on Friday for a one-day discussion to thrash out the UK’s future relationship with the EU. But EU sources who have seen drafts of the long-awaited British white paper said the proposals would never be accepted.
“We read the white paper and we read ‘cake’,” an EU official told the Guardian
He certainly cleaned that one up ! The french original is somewhat ruder, does anyone know it ?
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A humorous variation goes, “vouloir le beurre, l’argent du beurre et le sourire de la crémière“ — wanting the butter, the money for the butter, and the dairymaid’s smile. Other, mildly bawdy versions claim a little more from the dairymaid that just her smile; you’ll recognize them when you see them.
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"Britain’s Conservative central office was lambasted on Twitter Monday for trying to take credit for a package of EU laws to protect holidaymakers."
"Britain’s Conservative central office was lambasted on Twitter Monday for trying to take credit for a package of EU laws to protect holidaymakers."
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From the G live blog:
And here's an interpretation of the amendment from the institute for government:Labour’s Chuku Umunna says the EU Withdrawal Act makes it illegal to do anything that would introduce a hard border in Ireland. But if the UK were to leave without a deal, under WTO rules it would have to impose border controls. Can May confirm then that the Act makes a no deal Brexit illegal.
May says she does not accept that interpretation. After leaving, the UK could decided for itself what it did with the border, she claims.
May dismisses claim EU Withdrawal Act’s Irish border amendment makes no deal Brexit illegal.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... nd-debates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Both Houses accepted the Government’s amendment in lieu was agreed which amends the Lords’ clause to refer to the North-South co-operation in the Good Friday Agreement / Belfast Agreement (rather than list the specific areas of co-operation) and reduces the list of new border arrangements to include “physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls”. It also says this should be subject to an agreement between the UK and the EU rather than the UK and Ireland.
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One tangible benefit of Brexit is that the whole of Europe will now be able to interpret correctly the phrase "to have one's cake and eat it"
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Evening all. Meetings on Wednesday so into the library today.
This is becoming a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's attempts to come up with a new dictionery before Dr Johnson comes round in the morning...Laura Kuenssberg
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Hear that David Davis went in to see the PM this morning after not knowing about Number 10's 'new plan', but left the meeting still not having discussed the 'new plan'
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The Brexit compromise is coming - prepare yourself for the cry of treachery
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That sounds like wriggle room.May has ruled out keeping the UK in the EEA (European Economic Area) after Brexit, the so-called “Norway” option that would involve remaining in the single market. When the Tory Brexiter Sir Bill Cashasked her about “disturbing reports” that that was what she was planning, she replied:
In relation to the point that he makes about the EEA, I have been clear from the start that is one of the things that the European commission had suggested was on the table. The EEA is not right because the EEA - and particularly in the form that the European commission has proposed it - would not deliver on the vote of the referendum and the vote of the British people.
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Paul -- every country has its equivalent the only french version I knew is this --PaulfromYorkshire wrote:One tangible benefit of Brexit is that the whole of Europe will now be able to interpret correctly the phrase "to have one's cake and eat it"
" “Ils veulent le beurre , l’argent du beurre, et les cuisses de la crèmière “"
Some versions say ‘cul’ but this is a bit more refined .
The most polite IS “a smile from the milkmaid” … but confess I’d never heard it !
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Thanks I speak a bit of French so will try and add that to my repertoirefrog222 wrote:Paul -- every country has its equivalent the only french version I knew is this --PaulfromYorkshire wrote:One tangible benefit of Brexit is that the whole of Europe will now be able to interpret correctly the phrase "to have one's cake and eat it"
" “Ils veulent le beurre , l’argent du beurre, et les cuisses de la crèmière “"
Some versions say ‘cul’ but this is a bit more refined .
The most polite IS “a smile from the milkmaid” … but confess I’d never heard it !
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Which reminds me of that article the other day where they'd translated Theresa May as Theresa Could
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His choice of political party isn't encouragingAnatolyKasparov wrote:He's one of the newer MPs tbf.
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Good-evening, everyone
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" A poll published yesterday revealed 57% of Unite members would back a vote on the final Brexit deal – suggesting the policy of the union could change at its conference this week.
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Labour says it respects the result of the 2016 EU referendum and so is not supporting calls for a so-called "people's vote" on the final withdrawal agreement.
But Mr Corbyn refused to rule out a change of policy three times when asked about it by Sky News at the weekend.
Elsewhere in the YouGov poll of Unite members, 58% said quitting the single market - which is also Labour policy - would damage Britain.
And 61% said pushing for a free trade deal with the EU was more important than limiting the free flow of migration."
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Labour says it respects the result of the 2016 EU referendum and so is not supporting calls for a so-called "people's vote" on the final withdrawal agreement.
But Mr Corbyn refused to rule out a change of policy three times when asked about it by Sky News at the weekend.
Elsewhere in the YouGov poll of Unite members, 58% said quitting the single market - which is also Labour policy - would damage Britain.
And 61% said pushing for a free trade deal with the EU was more important than limiting the free flow of migration."
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Tories being deceitful in claiming credit for an EU directive? Surely not!
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Will the queen sign her name to UK legislation fouling up the Belfast Agreement?Willow904 wrote:From the G live blog:
And here's an interpretation of the amendment from the institute for government:Labour’s Chuku Umunna says the EU Withdrawal Act makes it illegal to do anything that would introduce a hard border in Ireland. But if the UK were to leave without a deal, under WTO rules it would have to impose border controls. Can May confirm then that the Act makes a no deal Brexit illegal.
May says she does not accept that interpretation. After leaving, the UK could decided for itself what it did with the border, she claims.
May dismisses claim EU Withdrawal Act’s Irish border amendment makes no deal Brexit illegal.https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... nd-debates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Both Houses accepted the Government’s amendment in lieu was agreed which amends the Lords’ clause to refer to the North-South co-operation in the Good Friday Agreement / Belfast Agreement (rather than list the specific areas of co-operation) and reduces the list of new border arrangements to include “physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls”. It also says this should be subject to an agreement between the UK and the EU rather than the UK and Ireland.
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And a reaction to the above...RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all. Meetings on Wednesday so into the library today.
This is becoming a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's attempts to come up with a new dictionery before Dr Johnson comes round in the morning...Laura Kuenssberg
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Hear that David Davis went in to see the PM this morning after not knowing about Number 10's 'new plan', but left the meeting still not having discussed the 'new plan'
5:38 PM - 2 Jul 2018
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This fuckwittery had better stop soon.
I don't know whether to or or right now...
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