One Whitehall source says: “In recent weeks there have been an increasing number of mentions in cabinet minutes about how Brexit has to be delivered for the sake of the Conservative party. That will be damning when the public inquiry into Brexit happens. The civil service are now finding ways of ensuring that the political decisions that are being taken will one day be fully understood.” (Politics Live, Guardian)
Monday 25th March 2019
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Just watching Parliament. Mature debate between Starmer. Greening, Grieve etc.
What a pleasure to see our politicians seeking consensus.
What a pleasure to see our politicians seeking consensus.
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Part of the problem is that the media aren't properly articulating what 'no-deal' actually is. People think it's us leaving with everything staying the same, not, "we have no treaties, no agreements, no way to import or export".gilsey wrote:Lewis Goodall
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No deal used to be unthinkable, no-one spoke of it. Slowly but surely it grew in appeal and acceptability and became the default for many Brexiters.
Strikes me revocation is now going through same process for remainers. It's astonishing how quickly these things can move.
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There was a brief item on the news. It was about the EU's "No Deal" plans (they've produced a hefty document, which I've dubbed the "No Deal Handbook") and allied stuff. Visas for European long-stays, financial viability checks, mobile 'phone roaming charges, and much else. It was a short piece which I think has only been on once. We need\ed much more of this sort of information.refitman wrote:Part of the problem is that the media aren't properly articulating what 'no-deal' actually is. People think it's us leaving with everything staying the same, not, "we have no treaties, no agreements, no way to import or export".gilsey wrote:Lewis Goodall
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No deal used to be unthinkable, no-one spoke of it. Slowly but surely it grew in appeal and acceptability and became the default for many Brexiters.
Strikes me revocation is now going through same process for remainers. It's astonishing how quickly these things can move.
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I'm not sure if this is something they call themselves (either having come up with it or having embraced it) or if it's a case that someone else has described them thus and they (the Hard Brexiters) don't, themselves, use the description. Does anyone here know, please?George Osborne, the Tory former chancellor and Evening Standard, is among the many on Twitter pointing out that the most senior Tory Brexiters have, according to one report (see 7.44pm), acquired a nickname used by the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan.
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I’m sorry, is this for real? Have the leaders of the hard Brexiteers just called themselves the same name as the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan? (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Lisa Nandy having a right old go! And she was one of the MPs that Theresa May was looking to to bail her out (before that stream of consciousness speech).
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Do even her speech-writers dislike Theresa May that much?
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Do even her speech-writers dislike Theresa May that much?
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Crace
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Ouch!Not even MPs on stupidity steroids can hope to get near to the prime minister during her descent into incoherence
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The Crace piece is actually the first clear analysis of today's events I've read!
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I think that his recent coining of "Lino" is brilliant.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The Crace piece is actually the first clear analysis of today's events I've read!
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Labour source says they do not think Letwin amendment on indicative votes is going to pass.... would be big turnaround from government assumptions this morning
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Petition at 5,609,613
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BREAKING 1) @oletwinofficial telling supporters he's anxious that in the end he may not have the votes for his parliament-takes-control-of-Brexit motion. 2) Remainy ministers contemplating now whether they have to resign tonight to get his motion over the line. 3) @theresa_may...
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Yes!PorFavor wrote:I think that his recent coining of "Lino" is brilliant.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The Crace piece is actually the first clear analysis of today's events I've read!
I thought the best line was actually
There wasn't much anyone could say in reply to that, so Jeremy Corbyn was in his element.
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The sour banyan is literally biting her nails.
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Petition at 5,619,426
It seems to be off to a bit of a canter this evening.
It seems to be off to a bit of a canter this evening.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The sour banyan is literally biting her nails.
Yes, I noticed that. I suppose we should be grateful that she doesn't pick her nose when she's anxious. But she did give a good speech.
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Stephen Barclay winding up by doing his level best to insult everyone.
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Letwin Amendment now being voted on.
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Richard Harrington, business minister, has resigned according to govt source
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Looking good for Letwin
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329-302
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Ayes: 329
Noes: 302
Oojah-cum-spiff.
Noes: 302
Oojah-cum-spiff.
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PorFavor wrote:I think that his recent coining of "Lino" is brilliant.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The Crace piece is actually the first clear analysis of today's events I've read!
It's true - oblivious, distracted, double-negatives confusing meaningEvery time Lino speaks we actually know less than we did when we started.
Is May is leader in name only? Her continued premiership doesn't seem seriously threatened by another Tory taking over. Her government stays there preventing better leadership.
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Been out for the afternoon to the library and for the launch of a new OU centre and come back to see the KKK trending...
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Alistair Burt also gone\going?
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As well as Richard Harrington, the Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt and the health minister Steve Brine have also resigned because they voted for the Letwin amendment, government sources have confirmed.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
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Steve Brine has resigned (never heard of him, actually)?
Well, that really is rubbing salt in the wounds.
(Boo-boom!)
Well, that really is rubbing salt in the wounds.
(Boo-boom!)
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This was an important observation from Ken Clarke
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HansardAs his amendment does not set out precisely the form that the indicative votes will take, there is a real danger that if everybody votes for their first preference, we will not produce a majority for anything. His amendment does not set out the basis on which the indicative vote motions are to be tabled. How are we to resolve the method by which we table them? The opinion of the hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman) and myself is that the single transferable vote is the best way to steer people to one conclusion. It will force compromise, except from those who will vote only for their first preference.
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How are you spelling that again?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This was an important observation from Ken ClarkeHamsardAs his amendment does not set out precisely the form that the indicative votes will take, there is a real danger that if everybody votes for their first preference, we will not produce a majority for anything. His amendment does not set out the basis on which the indicative vote motions are to be tabled. How are we to resolve the method by which we table them? The opinion of the hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman) and myself is that the single transferable vote is the best way to steer people to one conclusion. It will force compromise, except from those who will vote only for their first preference.
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Shaking ritualist bra reveals ministerial resignation (8,4).
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Margaret Beckett Amendment lost.
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PorFavor wrote:Margaret Beckett Amendment lost.
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Narrowly - but lost, nevertheless (can't remember the numbers).PaulfromYorkshire wrote:PorFavor wrote:Margaret Beckett Amendment lost.
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Doesn't make sense, does it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:PorFavor wrote:Margaret Beckett Amendment lost.
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Voting now on the main motion (as amended by the Letwin Amendment).
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Ayes: 327
Noes: 300
Noes: 300
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May's WA voted down twice, admits it'll get rejected again and she refuses to move
Unspeakably selfish
Unspeakably selfish
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How can government not be bound by this result?PorFavor wrote:Ayes: 327
Noes: 300