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Rosie Cooper = FOR
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I can keep singing then
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Does this mean we now have the ERG and the Provisional ERG?
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Sing; never stopLost Soul wrote:I can keep singing then
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Dare I say it Labour looking remarkably unified. Good to see ![Smile :-)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
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More than 1m childless people over 65 are 'dangerously unsupported'
More than 1m childless people over 65 are 'dangerously unsupported'
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"lock 'em up"
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Usual arse about face thinking and as ever burdensome.There is no connection or obvious consequence on the self fulfilling narrative
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"health behaviours"
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I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.
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Yes, my mistake in forgetting there was another Cooper in the PLP. Though amusingly enough, Rosie is a former LibDem!
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As previous are the people as burden propagandists willing to do the decent thing?
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And to think that Raab was being given serious consideration as the next Tory leader...
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Dominic Raab resigned in protest against a deal he helped negotiate, said it was "worse than staying in the EU" and is now going to vote for it, all within 4 months, but remember the public has to stick to a decision they made 3yrs ago without knowing what the deal actually was.
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It might not, but it could if Labour forms a fairly comfortable administration (which they may not even need an actual overall majority for)PorFavor wrote:I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.
And there is indeed no guarantee of that, but that holds true of the next GE whenever it is held (or indeed any other)
Its time to think that we could actually do better
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But in this instance, a General Election is being floated as a solution to one specific problem - ie "Brexit".AnatolyKasparov wrote:It might not, but it could if Labour forms a fairly comfortable administration (which they may not even need an actual overall majority for)PorFavor wrote:I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.
And there is indeed no guarantee of that, but that holds true of the next GE whenever it is held (or indeed any other)
Its time to think that we could actually do better
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Tories stuck together pretty well. Only 34 voted against and most of them peculiar. Ken Clarke voted for May's thing. Don't nobody look at him with hope; same true for the rest of his party.
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And the result I suggested above could provide a solution, even if that was not to everybody's liking.
There are no guarantees of it, but what else now - continue in the present stalemate with the delusional madwoman in charge?
Even a lengthy extension to A50 (which probably should happen) doesn't solve anything in itself......
There are no guarantees of it, but what else now - continue in the present stalemate with the delusional madwoman in charge?
Even a lengthy extension to A50 (which probably should happen) doesn't solve anything in itself......
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yep, that's why the bulk of the Tory party voted the way they did.PorFavor wrote:But in this instance, a General Election is being floated as a solution to one specific problem - ie "Brexit".AnatolyKasparov wrote:It might not, but it could if Labour forms a fairly comfortable administration (which they may not even need an actual overall majority for)PorFavor wrote:I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.
And there is indeed no guarantee of that, but that holds true of the next GE whenever it is held (or indeed any other)
Its time to think that we could actually do better
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In times of constipation an enema is the recommended course of action.
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No. Why would they?HindleA wrote:As previous are the people as burden propagandists willing to do the decent thing?
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Yes, but this was after May used every possible trick to maximise her vote. She can't play the resignation gambit again, or the "WA only" one.citizenJA wrote:Tories stuck together pretty well. Only 34 voted against and most of them peculiar. Ken Clarke voted for May's thing. Don't nobody look at him with hope; same true for the rest of his party.
As long as the DUP stick to their line (and that is the one thing they are genuinely good at) and Labour MPs hold firm, there is no path to a majority for her - most of the remaining 34 are the irreconcilables on both wings. And it is reported Tory whips thought they would only lose by about 20
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From AS...
Because of course the Government has never done that in this whole process has it?This is what Chris Grayling, the Brexiter transport secretary, told the BBC about the result.
What the house has just done is to vote effectively to leave this country either leaving the EU on April 12 with no deal, reversing Brexit or kicking it into the far long grass.
I don’t think that’s what the majority in this country wants. We are going to have to think very hard over the next few hours how we respond to that. This is a hugely disappointing response that is absolutely not in the national interest.
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that's an appropriate revolution for these times for sureHindleA wrote:In times of constipation an enema is the recommended course of action.
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May actually delayed the vote when it was due before Christmas because she knew she would lose heavily.
Its been a crude attempt at blackmail all along - "my deal or no deal".
It deserves to fail.
Its been a crude attempt at blackmail all along - "my deal or no deal".
It deserves to fail.
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We're all still trapped on board May's shipAnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, but this was after May used every possible trick to maximise her vote. She can't play the resignation gambit again, or the "WA only" one.citizenJA wrote:Tories stuck together pretty well. Only 34 voted against and most of them peculiar. Ken Clarke voted for May's thing. Don't nobody look at him with hope; same true for the rest of his party.
As long as the DUP stick to their line (and that is the one thing they are genuinely good at) and Labour MPs hold firm, there is no path to a majority for her - most of the remaining 34 are the irreconcilables on both wings. And it is reported Tory whips thought they would only lose by about 20
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(cJA bold)AnatolyKasparov wrote:May actually delayed the vote when it was due before Christmas because she knew she would lose heavily.
Its been a crude attempt at blackmail all along - "my deal or no deal".
It deserves to fail.
Yes, but it won't be easy. Look at what we're up against. May is a single-minded person. She lives to further a Tory future and she'll do whatever she can preventing a Labour government.
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That's all this government have done during the whole process.RogerOThornhill wrote:From AS...
Because of course the Government has never done that in this whole process has it?This is what Chris Grayling, the Brexiter transport secretary, told the BBC about the result.
What the house has just done is to vote effectively to leave this country either leaving the EU on April 12 with no deal, reversing Brexit or kicking it into the far long grass.
I don’t think that’s what the majority in this country wants. We are going to have to think very hard over the next few hours how we respond to that. This is a hugely disappointing response that is absolutely not in the national interest.
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If there is,perhaps an opportunity to unblock the obsessive diversion and free discussion otherwise,(or not)
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Please know I'm glad May's thing failed. May's Tory party is still leadership and their failures can cause regular people a world of hurt. I want people who've done nothing to deserve Tory failure fallout protected, that's all.
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Well this is interesting...
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Nigel Dodds tells me the UK should stay in the EU if that was only way to preserve NI’s place in UK. ‘I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union.’
4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2019
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bastards
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Earlier, I heard an interview with Nigel Dodds in which I thought I understood him to be suggesting that staying in the EU could be the best way of preserving the Union. I thought about it, then assumed I must have misunderstood (I was half-asleep when he was speaking). However, I've just heard a commentator on the news reporting on it. This time I was fully awake.
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Has Dodds only lately been made aware of his party's Leave campaigning and Brexit's implications for the union he claims to love?PorFavor wrote:Earlier, I heard an interview with Nigel Dodds in which I thought I understood him to be suggesting that staying in the EU could be the best way of preserving the Union. I thought about it, then assumed I must have misunderstood (I was half-asleep when he was speaking). However, I've just heard a commentator on the news reporting on it. This time I was fully awake.
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I am rarely right but I have been with the DUP.
It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.
I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.
It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.
I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.
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I remember reading somewhere that only some of the DUP are really hardcore Eurosceptic. They never expected to be kingmakers in a Brexit election when they adopted their hard Brexit stance. I suspect it would have always suited them to talk the Eurosceptic talk while regrettably being forced to accept a majority in favour of a soft Brexit. They might even be relieved to put it back to the public and end up remaining after all. I just can't see how a hard Brexit was ever going to work out for them in the long run. Whether there's a border in Ireland or the Irish Sea, it seems inevitable it will increase support for an eventual unified Ireland.RogerOThornhill wrote:Well this is interesting...
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Nigel Dodds tells me the UK should stay in the EU if that was only way to preserve NI’s place in UK. ‘I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union.’
4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2019
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I am rarely right but I have been with the DUP.
It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.
I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.
"The whole of L***'s behaviour in the affair, and the prosperity which crowned it, therefore, may be held forth as a most encouraging instance of what an earnest, an unceasing attention to self-interest, however its progress may be apparently obstructed, will do in securing every advantage of fortune, with no other sacrifice than that of time and conscience."
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That's more or less what Nigel Dodds said (now that I know that I didn't dream it). Except the bit about the cash, of course.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I am rarely right but I have been with the DUP.
It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.
I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.
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I'm zonked,which isn't used nearly enough.A marathon bed session awaits.
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In Westminster, where rival pro-Brexit rallies are taking place, the rhetoric is taking an aggressive and somewhat troubling turn, as my colleague Ben Quinn reports:
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Whoops! Sorry - told you I'd been lying down, half-asleep and cogitating!RogerOThornhill wrote:Well this is interesting...
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Nigel Dodds tells me the UK should stay in the EU if that was only way to preserve NI’s place in UK. ‘I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union.’
4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2019
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I do like Brian Moore...
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Apologies for the language, but this is brilliant:
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Two local council byelections yesterday:
Sutton - LibDem hold in a ward where they have held all three seats in every election since 2002, though the Tories have often been competitive and the result last year was the safest LibDem victory in recent times. It was slightly closer now as they dropped around 8 points to under 40%, though the Tories were little changed on the last two polls - an ex-LibDem Independent candidate may be more responsible for the drop as they polled 14%, finishing ahead of Labour who were clearly down on their 2018 showing (but little changed on 4 years earlier) Greens on 6%, also down but ahead of UKIP who edged up slightly to around 4% - but they were still down on their 2014 third placed showing. Christian People's Alliance made one of their occasional electoral forays, but got less than 1%.
Clackmannanshire - SNP hold in a small division (in a notably small local authority) that split 1Lab/1Nat/1C in 2017 (after going 2Lab/1Nat in 2012 and 2007) with around 40% which was only slightly up on last time, but given an 8 point drop in Labour's first preference share since then it was enough to give them a win even after transfers. Tories up a few points to almost 20%, continuing their recent strong showing north of the border - whilst UKIP polled over 3% which is actually one of their better Scottish byelection performances and took them above the Greens who roughly halved on two years ago. LibDems had their first showing here since the introduction of STV, but less than 2% to show for it.
Just the one contest to begin April.
Sutton - LibDem hold in a ward where they have held all three seats in every election since 2002, though the Tories have often been competitive and the result last year was the safest LibDem victory in recent times. It was slightly closer now as they dropped around 8 points to under 40%, though the Tories were little changed on the last two polls - an ex-LibDem Independent candidate may be more responsible for the drop as they polled 14%, finishing ahead of Labour who were clearly down on their 2018 showing (but little changed on 4 years earlier) Greens on 6%, also down but ahead of UKIP who edged up slightly to around 4% - but they were still down on their 2014 third placed showing. Christian People's Alliance made one of their occasional electoral forays, but got less than 1%.
Clackmannanshire - SNP hold in a small division (in a notably small local authority) that split 1Lab/1Nat/1C in 2017 (after going 2Lab/1Nat in 2012 and 2007) with around 40% which was only slightly up on last time, but given an 8 point drop in Labour's first preference share since then it was enough to give them a win even after transfers. Tories up a few points to almost 20%, continuing their recent strong showing north of the border - whilst UKIP polled over 3% which is actually one of their better Scottish byelection performances and took them above the Greens who roughly halved on two years ago. LibDems had their first showing here since the introduction of STV, but less than 2% to show for it.
Just the one contest to begin April.
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In other news...
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Interesting timing...
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Interesting timing...
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Cheers everyone.
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I'm not looking forward to the possible "No Deal", though.
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