Tuesday 7th May 2019
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Tuesday 7th May 2019
Morning.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... sic-income" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If ever there was a time for "radicalism" in this area,this is certainly not it.IMHO
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If ever there was a time for "radicalism" in this area,this is certainly not it.IMHO
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Removing the contributive link I view as aiding and abetting irresponsibility(which works both ways)
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The only version I can see as possible /acceptable is of limited application,that being the case,it wouldn't be universal.
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And that being the case,more complexification.
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Laws should have to pass 'compassion threshold', say MPs
Screw compassion.There was supposed to be a "family test",that worked out well.
Laws should have to pass 'compassion threshold', say MPs
Screw compassion.There was supposed to be a "family test",that worked out well.
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Many people advocate State sanctioning of eliminating people in certain circumstances on "compassionate grounds".It's nonsense.
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UBI is just money. People need food, warmth and shelter. Money doesn't necessarily buy these things. The same amount of money in different parts of the country won't necessarily buy you the same amount of these things. The value of money can be rapidly eroded by inflation. Not to mention the fact that people with lots of money are very good at extracting money from those that dont have lots of money. I agree that investment in services is a better way to help the least well off. This is reflected in the way left wing parties tend to invest in services and right wing parties tend to de-invest in them, emphasising the money in people's pockets whilst ignoring the fact that the money in a poor person's pocket tends to buy less of the same things as the same amount of money in a wealthy person's pocket (think pre-paid meters). We don't need new answers, we need to property implement the answers we already have. Council houses, secure tenancies, national health service, disability benefits, child benefits, pensioner benefits, jobs centres with actual jobs, properly funded local government, properly funded public transport, wealth taxes, corporate taxes....
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Though somewhat revealing as to why necessary.
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Just think repairing the damage and restoration should exercise a new Government,not the experimental.
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You old stick-in-the-mud, you. How can you say that, when Universal Credit, for example, has proved to be such a boon?HindleA wrote:Just think repairing the damage and restoration should exercise a new Government,not the experimental.
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Good morfternoon.
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The court case quoted in this article looks set to challenge this mismatch by taking the government to judicial review on their underfunding of special needs education. It will be interesting to see how it turns out, but it's already too late for many children whose needs aren't being met in the mainstream school environment.
Parents are legally obliged to send their children to school yet authorities do not seem to be equally legally obliged to provide adequate and appropriate school places to which they can send them.‘Cleansed by cuts’: schools refuse places to special needs pupils
The court case quoted in this article looks set to challenge this mismatch by taking the government to judicial review on their underfunding of special needs education. It will be interesting to see how it turns out, but it's already too late for many children whose needs aren't being met in the mainstream school environment.
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Myself and AH have long differed on the feasibility of UBI in principle.
I am inclined to accept that introducing it in our present state of (lack of) governance would be rather a risk though.
I am inclined to accept that introducing it in our present state of (lack of) governance would be rather a risk though.
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Farage says the Brexit party will not be publishing policies until after the European elections are over. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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You almost have to admire the brass neck.......
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:You almost have to admire the brass neck.......
Blatant contempt for the electorate. And yet - people lap it up.
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Some people do, yes.
Twas always thus.
Twas always thus.
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Fair to say I am not necessarily consistent and disagreement may be due to what is meant by UBI.I advocate personal budgets non means tested/non work conditionalities to use as wished subject to circumstances.
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Seriously weird though revealing tweet from Hancock about water nationalisation effects and attack on people with a"stake in Society".I thought we all had,silly me.
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He was definitely saying the quiet part out loud there.
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The Press Association has just snapped this.
European parliament elections will go ahead in the UK on May 23, after the government determined that there is not enough time left to complete the ratification of Brexit before that date, Cabinet Office minister David Lidington has said.
European parliament elections will go ahead in the UK on May 23, after the government determined that there is not enough time left to complete the ratification of Brexit before that date, Cabinet Office minister David Lidington has said.
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I gave up on the news for a couple of days.
Thank you, gilsey, for posting this
Thank you, gilsey, for posting this
Good afternoon, everyone.The Press Association has just snapped this.
European parliament elections will go ahead in the UK on May 23, after the government determined that there is not enough time left to complete the ratification of Brexit before that date, Cabinet Office minister David Lidington has said.
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"Jess Philips is just a self publicist,let's continually give her some/the rape threat is wrong...however,or equally repulsive a way of praising Corbyn for his condemnation and dig.I wish people would step outside themselves and engage brain.
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Maybe they are which is deeply troubling.
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I don't buy the Corbyn created line people should take responsibility.
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@55DegreesNorth
Many thanks for the link posted yesterday
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I agree it's interesting.
Many thanks for the link posted yesterday
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I agree it's interesting.
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"And there is a democratic deficit: people who get their basic income from charities or aid agencies have no control over how payments are made, to whom, at what level or over what period of time."
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"If cash payments are allowed to take precedence, there’s a serious risk of crowding out efforts to build collaborative, sustainable services and infrastructure – and setting a pattern for future development that promotes commodification rather than emancipation.” This may help to explain why UBI has attracted support from Silicon Valley tycoons, who are more interested in defending consumer capitalism than in tackling poverty and inequality."
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Just had a Brexit Party leaflet through the door. Doesn't actually tell me who my local candidate it (it does have the 'lovely' Claire Fox on it though).
Also doesn't have any policies, or any suggestions on how to enact Brexit.
Also doesn't have any policies, or any suggestions on how to enact Brexit.
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Disingenuous Tory minister Jeremy Hunt has one message
link another political party with his own
A commentator below the line quoted Hunt
"the message of last week was that voters for both main parties are very, very angry about the fact that Brexit hasn’t been delivered."
only referring to the Tory minister by his first name
I'll never forgive or forget the lying media performances
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That name run through a large internet search engine doesn't provide honest meaningful information either, in my opinion.refitman wrote:Just had a Brexit Party leaflet through the door. Doesn't actually tell me who my local candidate it (it does have the 'lovely' Claire Fox on it though).
Also doesn't have any policies, or any suggestions on how to enact Brexit.
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You can see why Spiked are a perfect fit for the Brexit Party. Endless chuntering that things are wrong but bugger all about what to do.refitman wrote:Just had a Brexit Party leaflet through the door. Doesn't actually tell me who my local candidate it (it does have the 'lovely' Claire Fox on it though).
Also doesn't have any policies, or any suggestions on how to enact Brexit.
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Good evening everyone - forgetting my manners. Long day in the library poring over 1870s building plans.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Disastrous Madonna relapse visits Julian Assange in prison (6,8).
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Apparently Tinge have completely messed up their Twitter.
They changed their handle to @ForChange_Now but forgot to reclaim their old handle which of course someone has nabbed.
They changed their handle to @ForChange_Now but forgot to reclaim their old handle which of course someone has nabbed.
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So check out @TheIndGroup
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So check out @TheIndGroup
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Change UK have changed their name again... their twitter handle was @TheIndGroup until an hour ago when it inexplicably became @ForChange_Now... which is somehow even more confusing and less catchy, and also means they've lost their blue tick
Oh dear... Change UK didn't keep hold of the old handle when they changed it just now, and @TheIndGroup has been re-registered by someone else to read "Hard Brexit" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5-XFNbWkAAaUjN.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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UK government rejects visa application to start a business in the UK, on the grounds that fact applicant thinks UK is (economically) "very stable" shows s/he is too clueless to be allowed into the country....
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Britain’s democratic blind spot
The British like to think of themselves as an honest bunch, but what has happened in British politics since 2015 is the very opposite of honest. But the British cannot accept they have a problem of political corruption.
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It almost chokes me to say it but - well done.gilsey wrote:Football, eh.
And I hope that either Ajax or Spurs do them same to them in the final
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Me too. Except not spurs.AnatolyKasparov wrote:It almost chokes me to say it but - well done.gilsey wrote:Football, eh.
And I hope that either Ajax or Spurs do them same to them in the final
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Spurs v Liverpool would be amazing.
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goodnight, everyone
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love,
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