Any Labour Brexit 'deal' has to sit next to Remain in the EU in a referendumLost Soul wrote:then read the Observer - Corbyn ( and I allow this is the paper's slant ) seems set on a 'Labour' brexit as a preference.
That's Labour's policy
Any Labour Brexit 'deal' has to sit next to Remain in the EU in a referendumLost Soul wrote:then read the Observer - Corbyn ( and I allow this is the paper's slant ) seems set on a 'Labour' brexit as a preference.
Marvellous. Thank you!RogerOThornhill wrote:Johannesberg!tinyclanger2 wrote: What’s the word?
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I responded to one post of yours containing a statement expressing defeatism. You're right; avoiding failure and enhancing the chances of success are the opposite of defeatism. I think you and I want the same things. Some include, sustainable practices protecting our environment, UK remaining in the EU, government investment in emaciated public services neglected by nearly ten years of Tory governments.tinyclanger2 wrote:I don’t think it’s me that’s being defeatist. But not being defeatist means avoiding a route that clearly will not work - and choosing instead a route that might.
My (serious) advice on that is - don't read the Observer.Lost Soul wrote:then read the Observer - Corbyn ( and I allow this is the paper's slant ) seems set on a 'Labour' brexit as a preference.
No. However, I do know swapping every motor vehicle using petrol with electric motor vehicles isn't going to work; it's not sustainable. Free, comprehensive provision of reliable public transportation dramatically reduces motor vehicles on the road.tinyclanger2 wrote:And while we’re on the subject of being doomed, does anyone have to hand the figures on the amount of fossil fuels used to provide energy to electric cars?
(cJA bold)AnatolyKasparov wrote:Pushing for a referendum commitment makes sense if you think that any deal Johnson gets might pass the Commons later this month (possibly because of rebel Labour MPs)
That means he will have to extend A50 until some time in 2020, and does not preclude an election taking place in the interim.
I won't be killed by cyclists' attitudestinyclanger2 wrote:My issue isn’t with cars per se (though can’t help noticing that more people are killed by cars than terrorists in the UK). It’s with the ultimate sources of their energy.
PS: cyclists often as bad as motorists vis a vis attitudes to speed / pedestrians / other users of planet for getting from a) to b)
No, cyclists aren't equally capable of killing people on the road. You're making a mistake equalising dangers caused by a person using a motor vehicle with a person on a bike.HindleA wrote:Cyclists are equally capable of causing death and harm both directly and indirectly,have no tests to fulfill and on the pavements.People are the problem,no matter what the potential "weapon"IMHO
I'm surprised by this response from you.tinyclanger2 wrote:You might be surprised.
Some places trialled polling cards, I think with barcodes. Whether they were as effective as photo id in deterring fraud is probably hard to tell, given the low to non-existent occurrence of fraud to begin with. I'm not sure how you judge what's been a success with so little data to go on. It's always irritating when the Tories trial stuff even though they have no intention of paying attention to the results of those tests, I know I shouldn't expect any better, but it annoys me every time.RogerOThornhill wrote:Incidentally, can someone tell me why people can't simply take their polling card along to vote?
I know there will be some who maybe didn't receive one but the vast majority of people will have them - I've seen people turn up holding them.
My mum had a passport but it expired once my dad died and she never drove - so no passport and no driving licence. It actually caused me a problem when trying to get some documents signed.
Not really about electric cars, but an interesting (long) thread on solar power.tinyclanger2 wrote:And while we’re on the subject of being doomed, does anyone have to hand the figures on the amount of fossil fuels used to provide energy to electric cars?
Can someone tell me how Johnson could get this, or indeed anything else, through the House?RogerOThornhill wrote:Incidentally, can someone tell me why people can't simply take their polling card along to vote?
I know there will be some who maybe didn't receive one but the vast majority of people will have them - I've seen people turn up holding them.
My mum had a passport but it expired once my dad died and she never drove - so no passport and no driving licence. It actually caused me a problem when trying to get some documents signed.
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(cJA bold)gilsey wrote:Can someone tell me how Johnson could get this, or indeed anything else, through the House?RogerOThornhill wrote:Incidentally, can someone tell me why people can't simply take their polling card along to vote?
I know there will be some who maybe didn't receive one but the vast majority of people will have them - I've seen people turn up holding them.
My mum had a passport but it expired once my dad died and she never drove - so no passport and no driving licence. It actually caused me a problem when trying to get some documents signed.
Does he expect the disaffected tories to vote with him on everything except Brexit?
It hasn't quite through to him yet that someone will have to pay for it to be done- odd for an obvious Tory who normally bleat about things not being "free"...ged
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councils will be giving out I.D. for those without it, free of charge
I'm with CJA, this is nuts Hindle.HindleA wrote:Cyclists are equally capable of causing death and harm both directly and indirectly,have no tests to fulfill and on the pavements.People are the problem,no matter what the potential "weapon"IMHO
I don't drive and my passport expired months ago (although I was able to use it as a form of ID at a post office recently), apparently the idea is to get councils to offer free voter ID, presumably on request.RogerOThornhill wrote:My mum had a passport but it expired once my dad died and she never drove - so no passport and no driving licence. It actually caused me a problem when trying to get some documents signed.
There is also the question of what ID you will have to produce in order to get the free ID.RogerOThornhill wrote:I saw this on a reply about ID being needed to vote...
It hasn't quite through to him yet that someone will have to pay for it to be done- odd for an obvious Tory who normally bleat about things not being "free"...ged
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What are you quoting from, please?tinyclanger2 wrote:Moreover - 470 pedestrians killed in UK 2017; 3 by cyclists
Meanwhile in terms of road miles 1.3 % are done by cyclists compared to 98.7 by vehicles.
So: different, but not SO different.
24,381 seriously injured by cars (and so on) in 2017 and 1793 killed.tinyclanger2 wrote:120 pedestrians seriously injured by cyclists in UK in 2017 and 3 killed.
I've edited my earlier post so many times so quickly I've made it look like you're only replying piecemeal, not really fair on you, sorry.tinyclanger2 wrote:Your figures include car to car incidents. I’m looking solely at pedestrians.
Where? What source are you using?tinyclanger2 wrote:Your figures include car to car incidents. I’m looking solely at pedestrians.
I did and discounted it because while dicks on bikes cycling irresponsibly annoy me immensely the number of deaths they cause will be vanishingly small.HindleA wrote:Mysteriously missed the "indirectly"as I have seen it happen of course I disagree.I do wish people in general would actually read with more precision.
What individuals see is anecdotal information. It's useful but it lacks the rigour of statistical data reports. The laws of physics are very evidence-based too.HindleA wrote:Mysteriously missed the "indirectly"as I have seen it happen of course I disagree.I do wish people in general would actually read with more precision.
There are fewer of them freeing up overall space. Buses also have a more consistent route than do a bunch of individuals in their individual motor vehicles going to the same place but not having realised it otherwise they'd have carpooled. Trains and trams most often keep to their tracks, making navigation around them less fraught than attempting to cross the street on foot at the cross-walk while ten thousand people in motor vehicles on their mobiles ignore the red light and sorry didn't see you.HindleA wrote:And as advocators of replacing/more common usage of even bigger vehicles than cars, the relative/weight dimension thing seems a bit strange.
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