Monday 16th March 2015
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Monday 16th March 2015
Morning all.
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Morning all. Anyone else getting fed up with the wall to wall media coverage of the Grant Shapps lied about a 2nd job and being an internet conman story?
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Morning.
I haven't watched any TV for days now
I haven't watched any TV for days now
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Annoying and possibly dubious.RobertSnozers wrote:Morning
Anyone else distinctly fed up with the wall-to-wall TV and billboard ads proclaiming how wonderful the government is? You sometimes see more than one in a single advert break. That's our money they're spending! Money they insist we don't have. Any idea how much? Not too late for an FOI request.
Fraser Nelson is quite upset about it.
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Morning all.
Narxist. Definitely adding that to my dictionary.
https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/narxism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Narxist. Definitely adding that to my dictionary.
https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/narxism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Yes - I've been moaning about it here for a little while. I've counted six different ads but there may be more. Do you have a running total?RobertSnozers wrote:Morning
Anyone else distinctly fed up with the wall-to-wall TV and billboard ads proclaiming how wonderful the government is? You sometimes see more than one in a single advert break. That's our money they're spending! Money they insist we don't have. Any idea how much? Not too late for an FOI request.
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Yes, but how, I wonder does he explain this:danesclose wrote:Morning all. Anyone else getting fed up with the wall to wall media coverage of the Grant Shapps lied about a 2nd job and being an internet conman story?
https://twitter.com/MGreenHowToCorp
Most recent tweet. 10 hours ago.Official account of Michael Green, multi-millionaire internet marketer and founder of http://HowToCorp.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And:
http://www.howtocorp.org/video.htm His still-live website... Wound down? But not closed-down.
Unless he's going to claim that he's been spoofed? He's really an example of why if you're going to be a liar you need to make sure you've got a really good memory – short-, medium-, and long-term memory at that!
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Grant Shapps in "I'm a Tory spiv who masquerades as someone else and sells shit on the internet that gullible twats buy while still an MP" shocker.
But apparently it is anti-business to condemn him as he's an "entrepreneur" another word that should be binned along with "progressive".
James O'Brien is getting stuck in, Con Futures not amused, anti business blah blah and blah.
But apparently it is anti-business to condemn him as he's an "entrepreneur" another word that should be binned along with "progressive".
James O'Brien is getting stuck in, Con Futures not amused, anti business blah blah and blah.
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RobertSnozers wrote:Jeremy Hunt tweeted: "Unbelievable Lab/Guard/BBC attack on @grantshapps. His sin not 2 use pseudonym but 2 write books about how 2 create wealth - shock horror..."letsskiptotheleft wrote:Grant Shapps in "I'm a Tory spiv who masquerades as someone else and sells shit on the internet that gullible twats buy while still an MP" shocker.
But apparently it is anti-business to condemn him as he's an "entrepreneur" another word that should be binned along with "progressive".
James O'Brien is getting stuck in, Con Futures not amused, anti business blah blah and blah.
No Jeremy, he lied about it.
Create wealth ? It's about how to grab a fast buck at the expense of others, it is parasitical behaviour.
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Danny Alexander getting bandwidth for his renouncement of a "Review" into Business Rates.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ate-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have two questions about this?
Firstly, is it Tory policy, Lib Dem policy or both?
Second, if the Review is established by the Treasury, will it get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ate-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have two questions about this?
Firstly, is it Tory policy, Lib Dem policy or both?
Second, if the Review is established by the Treasury, will it get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates?
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yahyah wrote:RobertSnozers wrote:Jeremy Hunt tweeted: "Unbelievable Lab/Guard/BBC attack on @grantshapps. His sin not 2 use pseudonym but 2 write books about how 2 create wealth - shock horror..."letsskiptotheleft wrote:Grant Shapps in "I'm a Tory spiv who masquerades as someone else and sells shit on the internet that gullible twats buy while still an MP" shocker.
But apparently it is anti-business to condemn him as he's an "entrepreneur" another word that should be binned along with "progressive".
James O'Brien is getting stuck in, Con Futures not amused, anti business blah blah and blah.
No Jeremy, he lied about it.
Create wealth ? It's about how to grab a fast buck at the expense of others, it is parasitical behaviour.
Or theft.
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On a lighter note, a dreary weather day in Colne Valley is about to be brightened by the arrival of Harriet Harman and the Pink Bus in Slaithwaite
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Danny Alexander getting bandwidth for his renouncement of a "Review" into Business Rates.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ate-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have two questions about this?
Firstly, is it Tory policy, Lib Dem policy or both?
Second, if the Review is established by the Treasury, will it get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates?
Thirdly, why wait until 51 days before the election to push it ?
They've been in power for five years.
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And why is he not being asked these questions by interviewers?yahyah wrote:PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Danny Alexander getting bandwidth for his renouncement of a "Review" into Business Rates.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ate-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have two questions about this?
Firstly, is it Tory policy, Lib Dem policy or both?
Second, if the Review is established by the Treasury, will it get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates?
Thirdly, why wait until 51 days before the election to push it ?
They've been in power for five years.
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Re-posting my late-night post from the early hours of this morning. I've edited the last line to account for the passage of time.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... tudy-shows
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... tudy-shows
Comments have not been opened on this article by Patrick Butler but it's had 714 shares since he posted it at three-minutes-past-midnight, not including this one.The study, published on Monday in the Journal of Public Health, finds that worries around debt, rent arrears and the prospect of being forced to move from their family home produced a sense of “hopelessness verging on desperation”. They reported being trapped in a “vicious cycle” of loneliness and isolation; they could often no longer afford to go to the pub or cafe, or even carry out family roles such as grandparenting.
Contrary to the government’s assertion when the policy was introduced that it would have no negative impact on health and wellbeing, the study concludes that the bedroom tax has “increased poverty and had broad-ranging adverse effects on health, wellbeing and social relationships”.
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Relatively large number of undecideds combined with a high expectancy of the debates influencing voting intentions.
The debates Dave, the debates. Did Crosby get paid up front or by results?
Relatively large number of undecideds combined with a high expectancy of the debates influencing voting intentions.
The debates Dave, the debates. Did Crosby get paid up front or by results?
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Now it's "I over firmly denied something".
Spiv is too good a word for him.
Spiv is too good a word for him.
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The Greens are advertising a minimum donation £1,000 a ticket black tie fundraiser with Natalie Bennett later this month. Champagne socialists only need apply.
[Although, confusingly, some mere snip at £500 tickets are available].
A 'premium' table reservation is £15,000.
The more you see of them the more it becomes obvious they are no different from other parties.
Their minimum donation suggestion is double that of the recent Tory bash for the rich.
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In their defence the Greens have to get cash from somewhere. Fundraising dinners are one way to do it, I think it unlikely that anybody will be seeking to gain influence by getting access to Bennett.
I will be intrigued to see how much funding is channelled their way from Tory slush funds, surely worth a couple of million of that Tory war chest.
I will be intrigued to see how much funding is channelled their way from Tory slush funds, surely worth a couple of million of that Tory war chest.
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Steerpike says the Green fundraiser has been cancelled:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/ ... m-members/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;However, after news of the planned fundraiser broke on Friday, party members complained that the the ball was at odds with the Green party’s policy to redistribute wealth.
Now, Mr S hears that the event has been cancelled as a result of the public backlash. ‘After feedback from our membership, supporters and donors, the Green Party Executive decided not proceed with this event,’ a party spokesman tells Steerpike.
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This can also be filed under ''Politicians all the same'' file.
Alex Salmond's referendum diaries are being serialised by the Scottish Sun this week, the book published by William Collins on Thursday, both of course owned by Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the Sun which had Nicola Sturgeon photo-shopped in tartan bikini astride a wrecking ball. Of course there will be no out cry about Salmond cosying up to Murdoch by those nationalists who are so much more left wing than us further down south, there never has been.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/c ... .120705629" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Alex Salmond's referendum diaries are being serialised by the Scottish Sun this week, the book published by William Collins on Thursday, both of course owned by Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the Sun which had Nicola Sturgeon photo-shopped in tartan bikini astride a wrecking ball. Of course there will be no out cry about Salmond cosying up to Murdoch by those nationalists who are so much more left wing than us further down south, there never has been.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/c ... .120705629" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Danny Alexander getting bandwidth for his renouncement of a "Review" into Business Rates.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ate-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have two questions about this?
Firstly, is it Tory policy, Lib Dem policy or both?
Second, if the Review is established by the Treasury, will it get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates?
Morning all.
Both the Tories and Libdems have so blurred the lines between party policy pledges for the next parliament and government announcements for this parliament that I have no idea what's policy and what's pledge anymore.
As to whether it will get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates, I don't see why it would. You can cut rates straight away and then respond to the review as and when it reports. It will get in the way of Labour's campaign message that is aimed at being small business friendly who the current government have ignored, of course, but then that's the point, isn't it?
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The quotes in the Scotsman indicate (if we need any more evidence) what a bad loser Salmond is. What a bitter little man he appears to be (imo, of course). A perfect partner for Murdoch.letsskiptotheleft wrote:This can also be filed under ''Politicians all the same'' file.
Alex Salmond's referendum diaries are being serialised by the Scottish Sun this week, the book published by William Collins on Thursday, both of course owned by Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the Sun which had Nicola Sturgeon photo-shopped in tartan bikini astride a wrecking ball. Of course there will be no out cry about Salmond cosying up to Murdoch by those nationalists who are so much more left wing than us further down south, there never has been.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/c ... .120705629" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3719266
Edited to add that that cartoon of Sturgeon apparently wasn't in the Scottish edition of the Sun. Seems Murdoch is more anti-Labour than pro-SNP!
http://www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wils ... -1-3718741
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Oh, I forgot to say (I thought it but forgot to type it) -
Good morfternoon.
Good morfternoon.
Re: Monday 16th March 2015
What the....RobertSnozers wrote:You probably all know this anyway, but according to Twitter, the Guardian editorship is down to two, Kath Viner - and bloody Ian Katz from Newsnight!!!!
So Katz went to the BBC from the Graun & now he's in the running for the main job back at the Graun ????
If he gets it, I reckon it would be fair to say the Graun won't be recommending a Labour vote in the 2015 GE.
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Morning all.
Given the what I thought was well-known support that the Graun had for the Lib Dems, you have to wonder at the sheer dimwittery of this:
Given the what I thought was well-known support that the Graun had for the Lib Dems, you have to wonder at the sheer dimwittery of this:
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@grantshapps is clearly scaring the Labour Party, hence the hatchet job this am from @guardian. Old story rehashed to help out hapless Eds.
10:50 AM - 16 Mar 2015
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Grant Shapps is currently trending on Twitter. Not bad for a Westminster bubble "non-story".
Not that the 34% or so of people who are currently saying they will vote Tory will give a stuff, I suspect. If they're willing to live with all the other scandals that have been brushed under the carpet I doubt this will shift them. Will it motivate the non-voters to get out and make a choice, that's the real question? With so many undecideds out there, this election is wide open.http://politicalscrapbook.net/2015/03/g ... ice-probe/
If lying in media interviews and using the threat of legal action to force a constituent to issue a misleading statement is serious — one wonders what exactly Shapps told the police about his work for his family company, whose dodgy Google-manipulating software was subject to an investigation which concluded its sale may have constituted “an offence of fraud”.
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PensionwiseRobertSnozers wrote:No, I should have made a note, but I can think of Pensionwise, Help to Buy, Automatic enrolment - not only things the coalition has introduced, but are strongly associated with the coalition (especially the Tories).PorFavor wrote:Yes - I've been moaning about it here for a little while. I've counted six different ads but there may be more. Do you have a running total?RobertSnozers wrote:Morning
Anyone else distinctly fed up with the wall-to-wall TV and billboard ads proclaiming how wonderful the government is? You sometimes see more than one in a single advert break. That's our money they're spending! Money they insist we don't have. Any idea how much? Not too late for an FOI request.
Help to Buy
Automatic enrolment
I'll see those and raise you
Superfast Broadband
We're cracking down on Tax Dodgers
edited to add: Good morning each.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Given the what I thought was well-known support that the Graun had for the Lib Dems, you have to wonder at the sheer dimwittery of this:
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@grantshapps is clearly scaring the Labour Party, hence the hatchet job this am from @guardian. Old story rehashed to help out hapless Eds.
10:50 AM - 16 Mar 2015
So the MP who claimed expenses for heating for his stables is sending out tweets in support of Shapps?!
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Been watching one of them whine all weekend on Twitter, spitting bile at anybody who dares to be Labour, saying anybody who blocks him is obviously afraid of debate and then blocking anybody who dares to answer back!! Some people seem to have forgotten who the real enemy is.StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
Narxist. Definitely adding that to my dictionary.
https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/narxism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re. Shapps, despite the shrillness of people like Rhyming Slang this morning attempting to bury this, it won't be going away quickly; the little detail they are forgetting to mention is not simply that Shapps lied about this, but that he also threatened to sue people who propagated the story. The odious little man has been exposed as the nasty money grubbing little spiv he is, and not before time.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
Well, he didn't have much choice, did he?
Downing Street has welcomed Grant Shapps’ decision to admit that he was wrong to say that he never had a second job while he was an MP.
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PM spokesman The PM thinks Grant Shapps has done the right thing in acknowledging he has made a mistake. (Andrew Sparrow, Guardian)
David Cameron, unsurprisingly, is said by a No 10 spokesperson to have full confidence in Grant Shapps. Presumably he's heard both the recorded interviews?
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Although I take issue with the term "mistake" - unless he means it was a mistake to try to cover up his activities with a lie (or whatever we're calling such things these days). By the way - how much worse than a white lie is a green lie? Is there a colour chart available?
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Latest YouGov has London VI Conservatives 37%, Labour 37%.
Whaaaaaaa?
Paper adjustments.
Scum/Star 194 to 335
Guardian/Independent 167 to 73.
Whaaaaaaa?
Paper adjustments.
Scum/Star 194 to 335
Guardian/Independent 167 to 73.
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Is that a new poll or the ST one Stephen?StephenDolan wrote:Latest YouGov has London VI Conservatives 37%, Labour 37%.
Whaaaaaaa?
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Tiny sample size < 200 wasn't it ?StephenDolan wrote:Latest YouGov has London VI Conservatives 37%, Labour 37%.
Whaaaaaaa?
I think the margin of error changes with the size of the samples so the smaller the sample, the higher the MOE.
Of course, there are always rogue polls too....
Don't get too hung up on it.
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Reminds me of an Estonian's reply when asked about difference between Perestroika and Glasnost,PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Danny Alexander getting bandwidth for his renouncement of a "Review" into Business Rates.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ate-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have two questions about this?
Firstly, is it Tory policy, Lib Dem policy or both?
Second, if the Review is established by the Treasury, will it get in the way of Labour's promise to cut Business Rates?
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It is yesterday's Sunday Times poll. However you cut it that London figure is not credible, Yougov have finally sacrificed the right to be taken seriously.frightful_oik wrote:Is that a new poll or the ST one Stephen?StephenDolan wrote:Latest YouGov has London VI Conservatives 37%, Labour 37%.
Whaaaaaaa?
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It's the ST one.frightful_oik wrote:Is that a new poll or the ST one Stephen?StephenDolan wrote:Latest YouGov has London VI Conservatives 37%, Labour 37%.
Whaaaaaaa?
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Can someone remind Shapps and his yay-sayers about this
Fromthe Guardian article that broke the story.Before this concession, Shapps had gone to extraordinary lengths to insist he had never been Michael Green. Last November, the Tory party chairman used legal threats to force a local constituent and ex-Labour councillor to delete an allegedly libellous post on a Facebook group about his use of the pseudonym and replace it with an apology that explicitly states that he was not using the Michael Green pseudonym when he was an MP.
In papers seen by the Guardian, Shapp’s lawyers wrote to the constituent noting “your agreement to post an apology requires you [to] make a ‘new’ post [ie a post on the ‘homepage’ of the group, and not a comment on another post]”. The lawyers said Shapps wanted the apology to read: “Mr Shapps MP has at no time misled over the use of a pen name. Indeed, I now understand that he openly published his full name alongside business publications making it clear that he used a pen name merely to separate business and politics, prior to entering parliament.”
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Can you believe that shit?adam wrote:Can someone remind Shapps and his yay-sayers about this
Fromthe Guardian article that broke the story.Before this concession, Shapps had gone to extraordinary lengths to insist he had never been Michael Green. Last November, the Tory party chairman used legal threats to force a local constituent and ex-Labour councillor to delete an allegedly libellous post on a Facebook group about his use of the pseudonym and replace it with an apology that explicitly states that he was not using the Michael Green pseudonym when he was an MP.
In papers seen by the Guardian, Shapp’s lawyers wrote to the constituent noting “your agreement to post an apology requires you [to] make a ‘new’ post [ie a post on the ‘homepage’ of the group, and not a comment on another post]”. The lawyers said Shapps wanted the apology to read: “Mr Shapps MP has at no time misled over the use of a pen name. Indeed, I now understand that he openly published his full name alongside business publications making it clear that he used a pen name merely to separate business and politics, prior to entering parliament.”
Demanding a made-to-order apology with legal threats & all the while the little piece of work still lying?
It's unacceptable for some people to get away with intimidating others using their position of authority.
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That is harsh on YouGov.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:It is yesterday's Sunday Times poll. However you cut it that London figure is not credible, Yougov have finally sacrificed the right to be taken seriously.frightful_oik wrote:Is that a new poll or the ST one Stephen?StephenDolan wrote:Latest YouGov has London VI Conservatives 37%, Labour 37%.
Whaaaaaaa?
Rule one of polling is you cannot split up bits of a poll and claim it tells you much about the thing you are looking at. Over the whole poll sampling errors will largely cancel each other out, but within a small sample they may be huge. Remember when arch muppet Harris played this game to "show" Tories were ahead with young people?
The only way to know how London is going to vote is to poll it, which YouGov have done. The London poll showed a decent Labour lead.
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That paper needs publishing.citizenJA wrote:Can you believe that shit?adam wrote:Can someone remind Shapps and his yay-sayers about this
Fromthe Guardian article that broke the story.Before this concession, Shapps had gone to extraordinary lengths to insist he had never been Michael Green. Last November, the Tory party chairman used legal threats to force a local constituent and ex-Labour councillor to delete an allegedly libellous post on a Facebook group about his use of the pseudonym and replace it with an apology that explicitly states that he was not using the Michael Green pseudonym when he was an MP.
In papers seen by the Guardian, Shapp’s lawyers wrote to the constituent noting “your agreement to post an apology requires you [to] make a ‘new’ post [ie a post on the ‘homepage’ of the group, and not a comment on another post]”. The lawyers said Shapps wanted the apology to read: “Mr Shapps MP has at no time misled over the use of a pen name. Indeed, I now understand that he openly published his full name alongside business publications making it clear that he used a pen name merely to separate business and politics, prior to entering parliament.”
Demanding a made-to-order apology with legal threats & all the while the little piece of work still lying?
It's unacceptable for some people to get away with intimidating others using their position of authority.
As for the polls I guess I suffer from confirmation bias, I need to allow the narrative of choice to wash over me.
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Populus VI: Lab 34 (+2), Con 34 (+5), LD 8 (-), UKIP 15 (-3), Greens 5 (-1), Others 5 (-2)
Friday's -3 for the Cons always did look like an outlier
Friday's -3 for the Cons always did look like an outlier
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
I fully understand that the London figures may be due to disproportionate old and male voters. All factors should be expected to cancel themselves out if the weightings are a) correct, b) applied correctly.TechnicalEphemera wrote:That is harsh on YouGov.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:It is yesterday's Sunday Times poll. However you cut it that London figure is not credible, Yougov have finally sacrificed the right to be taken seriously.frightful_oik wrote: Is that a new poll or the ST one Stephen?
Rule one of polling is you cannot split up bits of a poll and claim it tells you much about the thing you are looking at. Over the whole poll sampling errors will largely cancel each other out, but within a small sample they may be huge. Remember when arch muppet Harris played this game to "show" Tories were ahead with young people?
The only way to know how London is going to vote is to poll it, which YouGov have done. The London poll showed a decent Labour lead.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
Dead important this, vote for the national bird of Britain.
Torn between a blackbird, lovely song, red kite, see them while out in the garden, kingfisher, always a delight, though only see a flash of azure blue, or a robin, who always puts a smile on my chops.
Decisions, decisions.
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Torn between a blackbird, lovely song, red kite, see them while out in the garden, kingfisher, always a delight, though only see a flash of azure blue, or a robin, who always puts a smile on my chops.
Decisions, decisions.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
I voted for Blackbird, my choice in the first round as wellletsskiptotheleft wrote:Dead important this, vote for the national bird of Britain.
Torn between a blackbird, lovely song, red kite, see them while out in the garden, kingfisher, always a delight, though only see a flash of azure blue, or a robin, who always puts a smile on my chops.
Decisions, decisions.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
Barn Owl, Wren or Robin
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
After hand wringing of Simon Hughes proportions I went for the Kite, spend a lovely half hour on a side of a road, near Aberystwyth last year, watched 7 or 8 of them swirling about, lovely, so that swayed it.AngryAsWell wrote:I voted for Blackbird, my choice in the first round as wellletsskiptotheleft wrote:Dead important this, vote for the national bird of Britain.
Torn between a blackbird, lovely song, red kite, see them while out in the garden, kingfisher, always a delight, though only see a flash of azure blue, or a robin, who always puts a smile on my chops.
Decisions, decisions.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
"London Tory MP tells backers: 'Don't mention David Cameron' in letters of support"
A Tory MP in a key London marginal seat has told backers not to “mention the Conservative Party or David Cameron” in letters of support.
Croydon Central MP Gavin Barwell made the plea when he asked local people to sign letters to friends and neighbours endorsing his re-election.
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A Tory MP in a key London marginal seat has told backers not to “mention the Conservative Party or David Cameron” in letters of support.
Croydon Central MP Gavin Barwell made the plea when he asked local people to sign letters to friends and neighbours endorsing his re-election.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
Too hard to choose......I like all of them as birds, but ended up going with the barn owl because owls have a special place in British culture from brownies to 'The owl who was afraid of the dark' to Harry Potter. Still wondering if I should have gone with blue tit though.....letsskiptotheleft wrote:Dead important this, vote for the national bird of Britain.
Torn between a blackbird, lovely song, red kite, see them while out in the garden, kingfisher, always a delight, though only see a flash of azure blue, or a robin, who always puts a smile on my chops.
Decisions, decisions.
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Re: Monday 16th March 2015
Ditto. The Venn diagram of mine v John Humphrys views has a sliver of overlapAngryAsWell wrote:I voted for Blackbird, my choice in the first round as wellletsskiptotheleft wrote:Dead important this, vote for the national bird of Britain.
Torn between a blackbird, lovely song, red kite, see them while out in the garden, kingfisher, always a delight, though only see a flash of azure blue, or a robin, who always puts a smile on my chops.
Decisions, decisions.
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