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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
The "who should lead the labour party" in the mirror currently stands as follows:
Dan Jarvis - 22%
Someone else - 21%
Ed Miliband - 14%
Andy Burnham - 14%
Chuka Umuna - 13%
Yvette Cooper - 10%
Rachel Reeves - 3%
Tristram Hunt - 3%
Dan Jarvis - 22%
Someone else - 21%
Ed Miliband - 14%
Andy Burnham - 14%
Chuka Umuna - 13%
Yvette Cooper - 10%
Rachel Reeves - 3%
Tristram Hunt - 3%
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
It's all academic, Lady. Mrs. Blurt shall be busy again, giving it all away. You've had Free Schools now ready yourself for Free PrisonsLadyCentauria wrote:Oh gods, don't give that wazzock ideasdanesclose wrote:From Twitter:
Ross Lawson @Ross_Lawson 12h12 hours ago
Michael Gove's first act will be to create Free Jails, where anyone who has a shed with a lock on it can start their own prison.
Actually, I've got a shed that's behind a security gate which only eight people have the key for. It's got ventilation holes and everything...
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Disappointing Jarvis has ruled himself out but a man that puts his children (who lost their mother to cancer 5 years ago) above his job is an admirable man indeed.
He specifically mentioned his eldest child who had an extremely hard time following his mothers death. He was only 7 at the time & is still only 12 years old now so it makes Jarvis's reasons all the more understandable.
A real shame though.
My husband said Labour need to appoint a woman now that Jarvis is not standing. He said spamface would not be able to screech abuse from the Despatch box without facing disgust in the country.
Did I ever mention my husband is rather shrewd at times
He specifically mentioned his eldest child who had an extremely hard time following his mothers death. He was only 7 at the time & is still only 12 years old now so it makes Jarvis's reasons all the more understandable.
A real shame though.
My husband said Labour need to appoint a woman now that Jarvis is not standing. He said spamface would not be able to screech abuse from the Despatch box without facing disgust in the country.
Did I ever mention my husband is rather shrewd at times
Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Well with Jarvis not standing, I guess it's 'someone else' then. Does anyone know if Ms Else is any good? I assume it is Ms, not Mrs. I must admit I know next to nothing about them.tinyclanger2 wrote:The "who should lead the labour party" in the mirror currently stands as follows:
Dan Jarvis - 22%
Someone else - 21%
Ed Miliband - 14%
Andy Burnham - 14%
Chuka Umuna - 13%
Yvette Cooper - 10%
Rachel Reeves - 3%
Tristram Hunt - 3%
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Good thinking - but not sure that 1) we have a good enough woman and 2) that would stop bullying-don-boy screeching at herpk1 wrote:Disappointing Jarvis has ruled himself out but a man that puts his children (who lost their mother to cancer 5 years ago) above his job is an admirable man indeed.
He specifically mentioned his eldest child who had an extremely hard time following his mothers death. He was only 7 at the time & is still only 12 years old now so it makes Jarvis's reasons all the more understandable.
A real shame though.
My husband said Labour need to appoint a woman now that Jarvis is not standing. He said spamface would not be able to screech abuse from the Despatch box without facing disgust in the country.
Did I ever mention my husband is rather shrewd at times
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Snap. Except I didn't actually do the choosing bit. I know I'm in a flat state but the list just seemed incredibly uninspiring (discounting Ed who isn't, IMO, a real option). Hopefully - once I'm a bit less depleted and we actually get some proper statements from fully declared candidates ... it might just appeal to me a bit more. Hopefully.Willow904 wrote:Seeing as it looks like Dan Jarvis is out, I did the "who do you prefer as leader" again and noticed Ed was an option and as I didn't particularly fancy any of the others I picked him. He was joint 3rd with Andy Burnham behind Jarvis and 'someone else'. I think the Blairites might have a struggle to get their favoured option (Ummuna?) elected. They're all so bland, something I don't think Ed ever suffered from even if he did share the whole London centric, Oxbridge problem.tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/da ... un-5675484?
The mirror story on Dan Jarvis is here. Sorry.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Willow904 wrote:Well with Jarvis not standing, I guess it's 'someone else' then. Does anyone know if Ms Else is any good? I assume it is Ms, not Mrs. I must admit I know next to nothing about them.tinyclanger2 wrote:The "who should lead the labour party" in the mirror currently stands as follows:
Dan Jarvis - 22%
Someone else - 21%
Ed Miliband - 14%
Andy Burnham - 14%
Chuka Umuna - 13%
Yvette Cooper - 10%
Rachel Reeves - 3%
Tristram Hunt - 3%
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Oh go and click Ed anyway I'd love him to get massive support even though its a daft poll.rebeccariots2 wrote:Snap. Except I didn't actually do the choosing bit. I know I'm in a flat state but the list just seemed incredibly uninspiring (discounting Ed who isn't, IMO, a real option). Hopefully - once I'm a bit less depleted and we actually get some proper statements from fully declared candidates ... it might just appeal to me a bit more. Hopefully.Willow904 wrote:Seeing as it looks like Dan Jarvis is out, I did the "who do you prefer as leader" again and noticed Ed was an option and as I didn't particularly fancy any of the others I picked him. He was joint 3rd with Andy Burnham behind Jarvis and 'someone else'. I think the Blairites might have a struggle to get their favoured option (Ummuna?) elected. They're all so bland, something I don't think Ed ever suffered from even if he did share the whole London centric, Oxbridge problem.tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/da ... un-5675484?
The mirror story on Dan Jarvis is here. Sorry.
Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
I have a vague memory of a wall of noise from the government benches preventing Natalie Bennett from asking Cameron a question at PMQs once. Her being a woman just seemed to make them worse. I've nothing against a woman, but a woman picked for being a woman is a waste of time. No one goes 'That Merkel's good for a woman'. They just go 'That Merkel's good'.AngryAsWell wrote:Good thinking - but not sure that 1) we have a good enough woman and 2) that would stop bullying-don-boy screeching at herpk1 wrote:Disappointing Jarvis has ruled himself out but a man that puts his children (who lost their mother to cancer 5 years ago) above his job is an admirable man indeed.
He specifically mentioned his eldest child who had an extremely hard time following his mothers death. He was only 7 at the time & is still only 12 years old now so it makes Jarvis's reasons all the more understandable.
A real shame though.
My husband said Labour need to appoint a woman now that Jarvis is not standing. He said spamface would not be able to screech abuse from the Despatch box without facing disgust in the country.
Did I ever mention my husband is rather shrewd at times
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Anyway, if Labour is going to have a chance next time, the leadership should be more or less immaterial, since we need to be in communities making a difference and engaging people with the party on a day to day basis rather than with the leadership in the run up to the election. The party needs to be a million times more engaged at grass roots level, and the leadership primarily a decent figurehead who can bring the party and others together (and put Mandelson et at back in their box).
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Kendall got a really good response by the press after her Sunday Politics interview & maybe getting the press to lay off its hatred of Labour is half the battle.AngryAsWell wrote: Good thinking - but not sure that 1) we have a good enough woman and 2) that would stop bullying-don-boy screeching at her
She seemed to do an ok job as Shadow Health Minister, although Robert might give us more of a clue about her in that role.
Spamface shrieking at a woman would be frowned upon by decent men & women up and down the country & sometimes it is essential to play the strongest hand available instead of opting to play the polite hand that can lead to defeat. This is politics, not card games between a child & it's grandparent.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
He's right. Spamface would in all likelihood have problems dealing with a woman opposite him. We'd probably see bits of his subconscious how to talk to women persona come out in the worst possible ways when he's under pressure ... grisly, unwatchable, can't stop watching stuff. Calm down dear would be the least of it.pk1 wrote:Disappointing Jarvis has ruled himself out but a man that puts his children (who lost their mother to cancer 5 years ago) above his job is an admirable man indeed.
He specifically mentioned his eldest child who had an extremely hard time following his mothers death. He was only 7 at the time & is still only 12 years old now so it makes Jarvis's reasons all the more understandable.
A real shame though.
My husband said Labour need to appoint a woman now that Jarvis is not standing. He said spamface would not be able to screech abuse from the Despatch box without facing disgust in the country.
Did I ever mention my husband is rather shrewd at times
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Bennett has never been an MP so your memory has failed you on this occasionWillow904 wrote: I have a vague memory of a wall of noise from the government benches preventing Natalie Bennett from asking Cameron a question at PMQs once. Her being a woman just seemed to make them worse. I've nothing against a woman, but a woman picked for being a woman is a waste of time. No one goes 'That Merkel's good for a woman'. They just go 'That Merkel's good'.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Everyone keeps saying this but Labour have had Movement for Change (builds movements that mobilise the power of people to take action) going for years - maybe its got stale? but could be worth looking at ?tinyclanger2 wrote:Anyway, if Labour is going to have a chance next time, the leadership should be more or less immaterial, since we need to be in communities making a difference and engaging people with the party on a day to day basis rather than with the leadership in the run up to the election. The party needs to be a million times more engaged at grass roots level, and the leadership primarily a decent figurehead who can bring the party and others together (and put Mandelson et at back in their box).
http://www.movementforchange.org.uk/
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
It was CL, I remember it - they were appalling to her.pk1 wrote:Bennett has never been an MP so your memory has failed you on this occasionWillow904 wrote: I have a vague memory of a wall of noise from the government benches preventing Natalie Bennett from asking Cameron a question at PMQs once. Her being a woman just seemed to make them worse. I've nothing against a woman, but a woman picked for being a woman is a waste of time. No one goes 'That Merkel's good for a woman'. They just go 'That Merkel's good'.
Off to bed
Night all
Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
I think I've hit the gallow's humour stage. Best to get off to bed while I'm on the up. Night everyone.rebeccariots2 wrote:Willow904 wrote:Well with Jarvis not standing, I guess it's 'someone else' then. Does anyone know if Ms Else is any good? I assume it is Ms, not Mrs. I must admit I know next to nothing about them.tinyclanger2 wrote:The "who should lead the labour party" in the mirror currently stands as follows:
Dan Jarvis - 22%
Someone else - 21%
Ed Miliband - 14%
Andy Burnham - 14%
Chuka Umuna - 13%
Yvette Cooper - 10%
Rachel Reeves - 3%
Tristram Hunt - 3%
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Mrs. Else is elsewhere.
And of anyone thinks that Cameron is not above flinging insults at women, think again.
That's why if we can't have Ed back, we need Angela Eagle. She is fabulous at put-downs, smiles like a little kid as she delivers a stiletto between the shoulder-blades. Metaphorically speaking.
And for your delectation - Heeeerrrre's IDS again!
How is IDS going to make his £12BN of cuts? He is working out the details right now. He is still not saying where he thinks the axe will fall.
However, he has said that the £12BN cuts are "possible"
(This represent just - JUST, he says - 10% of the entire non-pensions budget)
What we do know is this - he says "...they cannot be achieved by cheese-paring" and "..will have to involve changes in behaviour".
Right. So we won;t get bits off this or bits off that. No.
People will be told how they are expected to behave or no money.
People will be told what to do and prove they've done it or no money.
Just like now but much worse and affecting more people.
And of anyone thinks that Cameron is not above flinging insults at women, think again.
That's why if we can't have Ed back, we need Angela Eagle. She is fabulous at put-downs, smiles like a little kid as she delivers a stiletto between the shoulder-blades. Metaphorically speaking.
And for your delectation - Heeeerrrre's IDS again!
How is IDS going to make his £12BN of cuts? He is working out the details right now. He is still not saying where he thinks the axe will fall.
However, he has said that the £12BN cuts are "possible"
(This represent just - JUST, he says - 10% of the entire non-pensions budget)
What we do know is this - he says "...they cannot be achieved by cheese-paring" and "..will have to involve changes in behaviour".
Right. So we won;t get bits off this or bits off that. No.
People will be told how they are expected to behave or no money.
People will be told what to do and prove they've done it or no money.
Just like now but much worse and affecting more people.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Are they all going to opened by criminals' parents?utopiandreams wrote: It's all academic, Lady. Mrs. Blurt shall be busy again, giving it all away. You've had Free Schools now ready yourself for Free Prisons
That's the theory anyway - the practice is that they'll all end up being opened by G4S and Serco.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Yes. Caroline Lucas. That's who I meant. Definitely time for bed!AngryAsWell wrote:It was CL, I remember it - they were appalling to her.pk1 wrote:Bennett has never been an MP so your memory has failed you on this occasionWillow904 wrote: I have a vague memory of a wall of noise from the government benches preventing Natalie Bennett from asking Cameron a question at PMQs once. Her being a woman just seemed to make them worse. I've nothing against a woman, but a woman picked for being a woman is a waste of time. No one goes 'That Merkel's good for a woman'. They just go 'That Merkel's good'.
Off to bed
Night all
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Oh yes, I remember the Lucas situation but yelling down a backbencher by other backbenchers is somewhat different to the PM doing it to the Leader of the Opposition.
Before bed, have a chuckle at the speed with which the first petition of the new govt, demanding the resignation of an MP - unsurprisingly it involves Ohso's MP, Rob Wilson:
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... o-resign-/
Before bed, have a chuckle at the speed with which the first petition of the new govt, demanding the resignation of an MP - unsurprisingly it involves Ohso's MP, Rob Wilson:
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... o-resign-/
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Apparently this 'EU demand is first test of Cameron's new government'.Sky News @SkyNews 59m59 minutes ago
TIMES FRONT PAGE: Brussels forces Britain to accept Med migrants #skypapers
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Nobody really cares about Cameron's "woman problem".
Or if they do, they're either not voting for him anyway, or care about it less than the SNP rewriting the budget.
Or if they do, they're either not voting for him anyway, or care about it less than the SNP rewriting the budget.
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You may be right but Mrs. Blurt is surprisingly coy unlike some of Michael's friends. Teaching ex-squaddies didn't pan out, maybe prison guards are more to their liking, Roger.RogerOThornhill wrote:Are they all going to opened by criminals' parents?utopiandreams wrote: It's all academic, Lady. Mrs. Blurt shall be busy again, giving it all away. You've had Free Schools now ready yourself for Free Prisons
That's the theory anyway - the practice is that they'll all end up being opened by G4S and Serco.
I would close my eyes if I couldn't dream.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
And Labour'll be very tempted to be nasty too.rebeccariots2 wrote:Apparently this 'EU demand is first test of Cameron's new government'.Sky News @SkyNews 59m59 minutes ago
TIMES FRONT PAGE: Brussels forces Britain to accept Med migrants #skypapers
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
It's going to be the same as the US. Over there when government and their equivalent of our councils are working out their social budgets, food banks are included in the figures. I fear we are stuck with them now.ephemerid wrote:Mrs. Else is elsewhere.
And of anyone thinks that Cameron is not above flinging insults at women, think again.
That's why if we can't have Ed back, we need Angela Eagle. She is fabulous at put-downs, smiles like a little kid as she delivers a stiletto between the shoulder-blades. Metaphorically speaking.
And for your delectation - Heeeerrrre's IDS again!
How is IDS going to make his £12BN of cuts? He is working out the details right now. He is still not saying where he thinks the axe will fall.
However, he has said that the £12BN cuts are "possible"
(This represent just - JUST, he says - 10% of the entire non-pensions budget)
What we do know is this - he says "...they cannot be achieved by cheese-paring" and "..will have to involve changes in behaviour".
Right. So we won;t get bits off this or bits off that. No.
People will be told how they are expected to behave or no money.
People will be told what to do and prove they've done it or no money.
Just like now but much worse and affecting more people.
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Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Very lively comments too.Stephen Doughty @SDoughtyMP 52m52 minutes ago
Don't agree w/ what @david_taylor says about campaign leadership in Wales, but rest of article is rightly challenging http://www.clickonwales.org/2015/05/som ... or-labour/ …
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:And Labour'll be very tempted to be nasty too.rebeccariots2 wrote:Apparently this 'EU demand is first test of Cameron's new government'.Sky News @SkyNews 59m59 minutes ago
TIMES FRONT PAGE: Brussels forces Britain to accept Med migrants #skypapers
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What ?Tubby Isaacs wrote:And Labour'll be very tempted to be nasty too.rebeccariots2 wrote:Apparently this 'EU demand is first test of Cameron's new government'.Sky News @SkyNews 59m59 minutes ago
TIMES FRONT PAGE: Brussels forces Britain to accept Med migrants #skypapers
Please quit with the drive-by shooting & instead, explain what it is you're not saying !
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Just to say no to Umunna too. A lovely looking man with little to say. Not a leader in any way, and not what is needed.
Angela Eagle looking better hour by hour. Only just starting to realise how alone Ed was, in spite of other Ed, given that we've seen how warm and genuinely funny and likeable he can be how did that happen, and how to stop it happening again. Perhaps we ought not to be expecting our politicians to look and behave like a different class of people and leave them to the mercy of image makers. I first found Ed to be likeable in casual clothes, and speaking free of a party line, he seemed relaxed and real, and not the nervous performer we sometimes saw. I realise I'm straying, but have to express anxiety over Lucy Powell who everyone says worked very hard. That may be, but she also was responsible for a huge mistake right before Election Day. I'm surprised it drew no comment here, because elsewhere it was taken very much as a sign of insincerity. Please no more of the bright ideas that turn to disaster with whoever comes next.
AE will always be herself perhaps that why I'm warming to her, the others on the list dont inspire, and even Jarvis I find hard to imagine holding slippery Dave to any kind of account.
Apologies. I'm no good at succinct.
Angela Eagle looking better hour by hour. Only just starting to realise how alone Ed was, in spite of other Ed, given that we've seen how warm and genuinely funny and likeable he can be how did that happen, and how to stop it happening again. Perhaps we ought not to be expecting our politicians to look and behave like a different class of people and leave them to the mercy of image makers. I first found Ed to be likeable in casual clothes, and speaking free of a party line, he seemed relaxed and real, and not the nervous performer we sometimes saw. I realise I'm straying, but have to express anxiety over Lucy Powell who everyone says worked very hard. That may be, but she also was responsible for a huge mistake right before Election Day. I'm surprised it drew no comment here, because elsewhere it was taken very much as a sign of insincerity. Please no more of the bright ideas that turn to disaster with whoever comes next.
AE will always be herself perhaps that why I'm warming to her, the others on the list dont inspire, and even Jarvis I find hard to imagine holding slippery Dave to any kind of account.
Apologies. I'm no good at succinct.
Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Times headline in later edition has been changed to:
"Britain must take Med migrants, says Brussels"
Interesting that they softened the headline from 'force' to this.
"Britain must take Med migrants, says Brussels"
Interesting that they softened the headline from 'force' to this.
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Nothing would surprise me, sadly, even if they attempted to make it compulsory for ex-squaddies to retrain as prison guards.utopiandreams wrote:You may be right but Mrs. Blurt is surprisingly coy unlike some of Michael's friends. Teaching ex-squaddies didn't pan out, maybe prison guards are more to their liking, Roger.RogerOThornhill wrote:Are they all going to opened by criminals' parents?utopiandreams wrote: It's all academic, Lady. Mrs. Blurt shall be busy again, giving it all away. You've had Free Schools now ready yourself for Free Prisons
That's the theory anyway - the practice is that they'll all end up being opened by G4S and Serco.
This time, I'm gonna be stronger I'm not giving in...
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Agreed, Angela Eagle would probably be very good. She seems well able to handle herself and to have respect across the House. And agreed about the 'image shaping' business, too. When it stops people from being themselves, it's gone too far.seeingclearly wrote:Just to say no to Umunna too. A lovely looking man with little to say. Not a leader in any way, and not what is needed.
Angela Eagle looking better hour by hour. Only just starting to realise how alone Ed was, in spite of other Ed, given that we've seen how warm and genuinely funny and likeable he can be how did that happen, and how to stop it happening again. Perhaps we ought not to be expecting our politicians to look and behave like a different class of people and leave them to the mercy of image makers. I first found Ed to be likeable in casual clothes, and speaking free of a party line, he seemed relaxed and real, and not the nervous performer we sometimes saw. I realise I'm straying, but have to express anxiety over Lucy Powell who everyone says worked very hard. That may be, but she also was responsible for a huge mistake right before Election Day. I'm surprised it drew no comment here, because elsewhere it was taken very much as a sign of insincerity. Please no more of the bright ideas that turn to disaster with whoever comes next.
AE will always be herself perhaps that why I'm warming to her, the others on the list dont inspire, and even Jarvis I find hard to imagine holding slippery Dave to any kind of account.
Apologies. I'm no good at succinct.
This time, I'm gonna be stronger I'm not giving in...