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Yes - I think that qualifies as staggering hypocrisy.AngryAsWell wrote:Laugh a bloody minute, the SNP
Alex Salmond: I'll campaign with Tories to stay in EU
The former First Minister is accused of "staggering" hypocrisy after vilifying Labour for campaigning with the Conservatives during the independence referendum.
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Fantastic news. But of course IDS is going to appeal. Probably try to get a bit of retrospective legislation through the HoC if he doesn't get the ruling he wants from that.Judge rules single parents are entitled to Bedroom Tax rebates for rooms their children use
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A bombshell legal ruling declares children of separated parents are entitled to TWO homes reveals Sunday People political editor Nigel Nelson. And no Bedroom Tax is payable.
Thousands of separated parents are being wrongly charged Bedroom Tax and are entitled to rebates after a shock legal ruling.
A tribunal decided that a child of parents living apart is entitled a bedroom in each of their homes for visits.
And the judge said Bedroom Tax should not apply.
The bombshell judgement in Middlesbrough is set to open the floodgates to claims by other Bedroom Tax victims that they were charged illegally.
But the Tories may try to protect their hated tax – because the Sunday People understands Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith will appeal the ruling.
Black Country Museum, surely a chance for a sedate canal trip through the legendary Dudley Tunnel.seeingclearly wrote:I'd love to see a discussion about culture. We do have culture here, but is it something that can be fixed in terms of a single national culture. Or is it lots of overlapping layers that intersect and conjoin like really good puff pastry, with spaces inbetween to make it light? I always find the single culture model a bit offputting, you know, like all Australians wear funny hats and have kangaroos and koalas in their gardens, a spider in the dunny and a taste for Fosters.
My lovely Antipodean dwelling ex in-laws have been here recently, visiting the 'theme park' parts of the SE, and loving its essential 'real England' quality. They are travelling Europe as a celebration of 40 years together, and I'm not receiving visitors due to ill health, so I won't be taking them to the Black Country Museum to crawl through the mine working as I once did with a visiting cousin of some considerable affluence. The pictures of tranquil thatched cottages and polished interior are pretty though.
Culture is complex. I don't know if it can be coopted into becoming a national profile. Even the Swiss would, I'm sure, object to that.
Yep. The only way he'd be 'fighting a rearguard action' would be if he's been told he's got to scale back his precious UC plans by leaving out most of the benefit areas he'd planned to bring in. Ie., keep it to Jobseekers' Allowance only, and stop heamorrhaging money on such a grand scale by trying to build as extensive a system as is currently planned!AngryAsWell wrote:Yeah right....sure he is
Iain Duncan Smith in cabinet row over £12bn welfare cuts
Work and pensions secretary fighting rearguard action against any changes that would involve slashing at key benefit schemes
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Presumably they object to those Australians coming over here and stealing our points.rebeccariots2 wrote:A discussion on culture on the night of the Eurovision song contest ... hmmm.
What do we reckon Ukippers make of this?
She's got some nerve that's for sure. Claims she has changed her mind about it since the vote. John Prescott re tweeted her tweet under #Awkward.AngryAsWell wrote:Words. Just. Fail
Nicky Morgan Verified account
@NickyMorgan01 An important day in Ireland. Sends a great message that #equality matters. #equalmarriage
Jenny Wackett @jennywackett · 2h2 hours ago
@NickyMorgan01 And yet you voted against for England and Wales. What a two-faced hypocrite you are…
? Where's that come from? The ones that Cameron already demoted / got rid of because they actually knew too much about human rights, legal and constitutional matters - i.e. Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve - can't resign from posts they don't have. Is this tweeter someone in the know or just not very precise with their wording?AngryAsWell wrote:@ShoaibMKhan
Senior Tory member of the Government threatens to resign over Cameron's plans to scrap the #HumanRightsAct.
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Frome hererebeccariots2 wrote:? Where's that come from? The ones that Cameron already demoted / got rid of because they actually knew too much about human rights, legal and constitutional matters - i.e. Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve - can't resign from posts they don't have. Is this tweeter someone in the know or just not very precise with their wording?AngryAsWell wrote:@ShoaibMKhan
Senior Tory member of the Government threatens to resign over Cameron's plans to scrap the #HumanRightsAct.
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Editing to add: Stupid me. Should have followed the link first. Front page of Telegraph - I'll take a look now.
Ha! ProbablyTechnicalEphemera wrote:Presumably they object to those Australians coming over here and stealing our points.rebeccariots2 wrote:A discussion on culture on the night of the Eurovision song contest ... hmmm.
What do we reckon Ukippers make of this?
The Dudley tunnel would be no fun if you had to 'leg' your way through it! My young cousin, first visit here had no idea of British social history, was very shocked. I have no idea who he thought the heavy work was done by, his view of our culture was very sedate, all neat houses and clean gardens, and tea and cakes. Maybe he thought raw materials all came from other places. He had great difficulty understanding the concept of exploited British workers. He liked the traditional sweets though.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Black Country Museum, surely a chance for a sedate canal trip through the legendary Dudley Tunnel.seeingclearly wrote:I'd love to see a discussion about culture. We do have culture here, but is it something that can be fixed in terms of a single national culture. Or is it lots of overlapping layers that intersect and conjoin like really good puff pastry, with spaces inbetween to make it light? I always find the single culture model a bit offputting, you know, like all Australians wear funny hats and have kangaroos and koalas in their gardens, a spider in the dunny and a taste for Fosters.
My lovely Antipodean dwelling ex in-laws have been here recently, visiting the 'theme park' parts of the SE, and loving its essential 'real England' quality. They are travelling Europe as a celebration of 40 years together, and I'm not receiving visitors due to ill health, so I won't be taking them to the Black Country Museum to crawl through the mine working as I once did with a visiting cousin of some considerable affluence. The pictures of tranquil thatched cottages and polished interior are pretty though.
Culture is complex. I don't know if it can be coopted into becoming a national profile. Even the Swiss would, I'm sure, object to that.
Culture is an issue for Labour, how do you appeal to left wing metropolitan voters whilst still keeping the BNP wing of the working class away from UKIP? Anything sensible you do to address immigration will immediately have LGLL Diane Abbott screaming racist at you.
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Depends on how well the Rumanians and Bulgarians do I guess. I'm not watching.rebeccariots2 wrote:A discussion on culture on the night of the Eurovision song contest ... hmmm.
What do we reckon Ukippers make of this?
Shame about that...... but what's his majority ???rebeccariots2 wrote:Looks like Carmichael is toast from the latest stories and news that a parliamentary standards complaint has been lodged.
The worst of all worlds for the Lib Dems - the party that proclaimed they wanted to bring back decency and trust into politics ... probably down to 7 MPs by the end of this bank holiday weekend.
800 ish. Was very reduced from previous election. Lib Dem's probably goners if there's another election there.AngryAsWell wrote:Shame about that...... but what's his majority ???rebeccariots2 wrote:Looks like Carmichael is toast from the latest stories and news that a parliamentary standards complaint has been lodged.
The worst of all worlds for the Lib Dems - the party that proclaimed they wanted to bring back decency and trust into politics ... probably down to 7 MPs by the end of this bank holiday weekend.
Another SNP then ?rebeccariots2 wrote:800 ish. Was very reduced from previous election. Lib Dem's probably goners if there's another election there.AngryAsWell wrote:Shame about that...... but what's his majority ???rebeccariots2 wrote:Looks like Carmichael is toast from the latest stories and news that a parliamentary standards complaint has been lodged.
The worst of all worlds for the Lib Dems - the party that proclaimed they wanted to bring back decency and trust into politics ... probably down to 7 MPs by the end of this bank holiday weekend.
Yup. And then there were 57.AngryAsWell wrote:Another SNP then ?rebeccariots2 wrote:800 ish. Was very reduced from previous election. Lib Dem's probably goners if there's another election there.AngryAsWell wrote: Shame about that...... but what's his majority ???
What a disgusting mix of insider-dealings, vested-interests, and conflicts of interest. So, very soon it'll be those private companies and consortia who decide whether a hospital gets built or closed and all their earnings and profits will come out of the taxes we pay to support the NHS.AngryAsWell wrote:The whole point of our NHS reforms,’ David Cameron said, is ‘to put the power in the hands of local doctors, so that they make decisions based on what is good for their local area.’
That is tosh. Yes, most of the NHS budget was handed to GPs, who are now – phase 2 – handing it over to private corporations.
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Be interesting if one of them does – or if Cameron pushes it back a long way from his 'first 100 days' plans. It really is a rather daft idea. Cameron might be planning to wave flags along with smoke and mirrors and simply rebrand the HRA so that future generation might (if they're bothered) talk of Cameron's British Bill of RIghts but that'd be a daft waste of Parliamentary time and money. If he's really planning substantial change then that's daft, too; and putting bloody Gove in charge of Justice is dafter than daft.AngryAsWell wrote:@ShoaibMKhan
Senior Tory member of the Government threatens to resign over Cameron's plans to scrap the #HumanRightsAct.
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There's more
Tories at war over plan to scrap Human Rights Act
Government figure may quit in order to vote against controversial Tory plan, as Andrew Mitchell, Dominic Grieve and Damian Green warn against watering down human rights
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Well let's face it – he downgraded disabled people a long time agoAngryAsWell wrote:Cameron downgrades minister for disabled people
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Can you imagine him as Chief Whip with a majority of 10 or whatever it is?LadyCentauria wrote:and putting bloody Gove in charge of Justice is dafter than daft.
If he were to lose Orkney & Shetland it'd be one for the record books. In the past 178 years they've only once voted for a party which didn't have 'Liberal' in its title and that was for the Scottish Unionist MP Basil Neven-Spence. If they do go to the SNP, at least it'll make a pattern of 'either Liberal or Scottish in the name'; although the Scottish Unionist Party were what it now the Scottish Conservative Party and sat on the Conservative benches.rebeccariots2 wrote:Yup. And then there were 57.AngryAsWell wrote:Another SNP then ?rebeccariots2 wrote: 800 ish. Was very reduced from previous election. Lib Dem's probably goners if there's another election there.
I'll concede that point to you, Roger Mind you, I have great difficulty imagining him in any greater position of authority than deputy blackboard-monitor or second-assistant milk-monitor.RogerOThornhill wrote:Can you imagine him as Chief Whip with a majority of 10 or whatever it is?LadyCentauria wrote:and putting bloody Gove in charge of Justice is dafter than daft.
No, you've certainly not offended. That lass doesn't deserve what's been thrown at her today. And there's much too much hating going on, which I find very upsetting. I haven't seen any reports about random immigration checks in Peckham getting public objections - will go and look.seeingclearly wrote:Never heard of young Tulip Siddiq till today. Just come away from a Labour page featuring here and BTL was a hate feet in every direction. Is it the right thing to indulge all the hating? I get torn between free speech and its bastard children tbh, and not meaning any offence whatsoever to the great institution of absence of wedlock, but using it purely as a metaphorical descriptor of how something good does not always bring the intended results, ie more tolerance. In fact the haters were coming at her from two directions, so am not now surprised she's been targeted unfairly, as in so bodies earlier post.
Oh dear, have probably offended someone or another by trying to be fair mined while still being outraged! Which I am. This young woman has barely had a chance yet.
In other news I see the people of Peckham were not in a mood to take random immigration checks lightly.
There's been a series of wholly inadequate ministers for disability, who have been anything but. My guess is the new targets have upset IDSs accounting fables, and he's averse to people getting to close, and he's bargained his way out by agreeing to the targets on condition this man is moved further away. Having watched him and his accomplices facing the PAC, and slithering out of giving any proper account at all, I'm not surprised he's hanging on so hard. All that suffering for no gain at all.LadyCentauria wrote:Well let's face it – he downgraded disabled people a long time agoAngryAsWell wrote:Cameron downgrades minister for disabled people
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/ca ... ed-people/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My "New politics" comment didn't make it past the mods on LDV.rebeccariots2 wrote:Looks like Carmichael is toast from the latest stories and news that a parliamentary standards complaint has been lodged.
The worst of all worlds for the Lib Dems - the party that proclaimed they wanted to bring back decency and trust into politics ... probably down to 7 MPs by the end of this bank holiday weekend.
Apparently there's a Labour poll out there in the ether that's asking about which leadership candidate people would prefer. There an 'other' box in which Ed is doing well. If I saw that here my apologies. But too late sadly, the full weight of the massed machine was against him, and my guess is there's a lot he never said. No wonder he looked so relieved. I wasn't surprised Umunna stood down. If someone as apparently clean as Ed could come under such pressure what chance for anyone to move leftward. So what we'll get is further right than we wished, they're all on a bandwagon to criticise, but as far as my memory serves me the only person who ever came close in terms of the pasting Ed took was Gordon Brown. Also of a hugely personal nature. And a continuum. John Prescott can say what he wants, the game has changed really, and is a lot nastier these days. I often have to shake myself to realise just how far we've come in five years.LadyCentauria wrote:No, you've certainly not offended. That lass doesn't deserve what's been thrown at her today. And there's much too much hating going on, which I find very upsetting. I haven't seen any reports about random immigration checks in Peckham getting public objections - will go and look.seeingclearly wrote:Never heard of young Tulip Siddiq till today. Just come away from a Labour page featuring here and BTL was a hate feet in every direction. Is it the right thing to indulge all the hating? I get torn between free speech and its bastard children tbh, and not meaning any offence whatsoever to the great institution of absence of wedlock, but using it purely as a metaphorical descriptor of how something good does not always bring the intended results, ie more tolerance. In fact the haters were coming at her from two directions, so am not now surprised she's been targeted unfairly, as in so bodies earlier post.
Oh dear, have probably offended someone or another by trying to be fair mined while still being outraged! Which I am. This young woman has barely had a chance yet.
In other news I see the people of Peckham were not in a mood to take random immigration checks lightly.
I've just seen that John Prescott is backing Andy Burnham and has criticised Ed M for standing down prematurely.
To be fair to IDS, Roger, hard I know, but it's not the first time this has been said, which is why I hold Cameron and Osborne more culpable for Social Security cuts even if IDS appears to delight in them, Osborne for his demands and Cameron primarily for his sense of entitlement regardless of personal finance, especially given how little regard he apparently has for others.RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all.
What with IDS apparently fighting the £12bn cuts and the unnamed cabinet minister rebelling against the abolition of the HRA...why do I get the feeling that a few people didn't expect to win?
No, Lady C, there shall be tears before bedtime if he were allowed anywhere near milk.LadyCentauria wrote:... Mind you, I have great difficulty imagining him in any greater position of authority than deputy blackboard-monitor or second-assistant milk-monitor.
I think you're right on that feeling. Cameron is now going to have to go through with the things he thought the Lib Dems wouldn't allow in a month of Sundays.RogerOThornhill wrote:Evening all.
What with IDS apparently fighting the £12bn cuts and the unnamed cabinet minister rebelling against the abolition of the HRA...why do I get the feeling that a few people didn't expect to win?
Thank goodness that's in the Sun and I can't read it.Craig Woodhouse @craigawoodhouse 2h2 hours ago
EXCL: Labour MPs urge David Miliband to return for EU referendum - and stay for 2020 http://sunpl.us/6011CUXz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Take action against Tories’ harmful policies by hitting them in the wallet
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... May 27 will be the first National Switch Off Day, when thousands of people have already pledged to stop using gas and electricity, and stop shopping in non-local shops for 24 hours.
Organised by a varied group of campaigners, this will be the first in a series of multi-issue actions that will take place once a month. Reasons for taking part range from keeping the NHS public and tackling issues like overpriced parking in hospitals, to stopping benefit cuts, to issues affecting vulnerable people and their carers such as the cold weather benefits to the elderly, to keeping the Human Rights Act, to stopping fracking – and mostly that all members of the general public get a voice in matters that concern them.
Paul, a single parent with two sons, said: “Traditional protesting on the streets is fine but it doesn’t affect the government, banks or big corporations. It’s time to switch off and hurt them in the pocket. No electric. No gas. No spending money. Whatever your protest, let’s unite for one day a month and switch off.”
So having lost with one who was dubbed part of the 'metropolitan liberal elite' they want us to elect someone who is another of the 'metropolitan liberal elite'.rebeccariots2 wrote:Thank goodness that's in the Sun and I can't read it.Craig Woodhouse @craigawoodhouse 2h2 hours ago
EXCL: Labour MPs urge David Miliband to return for EU referendum - and stay for 2020 http://sunpl.us/6011CUXz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sajid Javid on Andrew Marr Show. I'm pretty certain that was not the case according to recently published figures, almost sure in fact. There was Steve Hilton earlier also perpetuating the myth about sovereignty being elsewhere with regard to the HRA. Unchallenged by Marr of course, although the woman (sorry don't know her name) sharing the couch with Steve did so.We've made changes to non-EU immigration and have seen that fall.
57 varieties - but they're all the bleeding same! Without in any way being hyperbolic, the SNP is one of the most genuinely Stalinist parties in any developed democracyrebeccariots2 wrote:Yup. And then there were 57.AngryAsWell wrote:Another SNP then ?rebeccariots2 wrote: 800 ish. Was very reduced from previous election. Lib Dem's probably goners if there's another election there.
It's gone from 311k in year to June 2010 to 290k in year to Dec 2014.utopiandreams wrote:Sajid Javid on Andrew Marr Show. I'm pretty certain that was not the case according to recently published figures, almost sure in fact. There was Steve Hilton earlier also perpetuating the myth about sovereignty being elsewhere with regard to the HRA. Unchallenged by Marr of course, although the woman (sorry don't know her name) sharing the couch with Steve did so.We've made changes to non-EU immigration and have seen that fall.
Understand your frustration TC. Very hard to know what is the best, most constructive, course of action. A bit more time will help to settle the dust might make things clearer to help us individuals make decisions. If the unions start another party we're going to have even more of a fragmented vote for any left of centre views - we've got the new Womens Party of Equality (not sure if I've got that name correct) being set up too.tinyclanger2 wrote:Eurovision, BBC and Labour. All disappointing, and all missing the point.
Eurovision - think it's not important? Look at the votes for the UK over recent years. Europe feels the same way about us (and our much discussed Brexit and forthcoming referendum) as many of us have felt about the Scots separation. Doesn't matter that most of us don't want to leave, all Europe hears is that we do. It's going to take a long time to repair, even if we vote to stay in. And yet the papers talk about the song - talk about missing the point.
(Eurovision per se has also made itself totally irrelevant. No theatrics, and very little humour. Just lots of identical partially clad women and some men who seem incapable of pulling an unplanned facial expression. It's gone from crap to camp to crass.)
BBC - this is a public broadcaster paid for by our licence fees (though it brings in much more money than it costs and has brought global influence and credibility to the UK via the World Service). We need to make sure we keep it by reclaiming it not as a political mouthpiece but as ours. Politics needs to keep out of it - I don't know how that happens, but it needs to.
Labour - we simply don't need another rightish wing party. If the Unions decide to form a party for actual people (workers or otherwise) I will be resigning from Labour (again) to join it. It really is as simple as that. I am not being angry or negative when I say the current Labour leadership candidates should join the Tories and pull them to the left. It is what I honestly think is likely to have the most beneficial effect on society. A less right wing Tory party and a more left wing Labour party is surely more likely to solve the problems we discuss here than the current Tories and more right wing Labour?
We really need to stop doing the Tories' work from them vis a vis both wishing an end to the BBC and dragging Labour back to the right.