Wednesday 29th January 2025

[refitman]

Morning all.

[refitman]

Oh, so now they're getting upset about people's data being used without permission

[Frog222]

Oh, so now they're getting upset about people's data being used without permission

Thanks for that refit, I have a backdoor into sites on Firefox but can't do archive links there ..

""DeepSeek said it used just 2,048 Nvidia H800 graphics cards and spent $5.6mn to train its V3 model with 671bn parameters, a fraction of what OpenAI and Google spent to train comparably sized models. Some experts said the model generated responses that indicated it had been trained on outputs from OpenAI’s GPT-4, which would violate its terms of service.

Industry insiders say that it is common practice for AI labs in China and the US to use outputs from companies such as OpenAI, which have invested in hiring people to teach their models how to produce responses that sound more human. This is expensive and labour-intensive, and smaller players often piggyback off this work, say the insiders.

“It is a very common practice for start-ups and academics to use outputs from human-aligned commercial LLMs, like ChatGPT, to train another model,” said Ritwik Gupta, a PhD candidate in AI at the University of California, Berkeley.

“That means you get this human feedback step for free. It is not surprising to me that DeepSeek supposedly would be doing the same. If they were, stopping this practice precisely may be difficult,” he added.

The practice highlights the difficulty for companies keen to protect their technical edge. “We know [China]-based companies — and others — are constantly trying to distil the models of leading US AI companies,” OpenAI said in its latest statement.

It added: “We engage in countermeasures to protect our IP, including a careful process for which frontier capabilities to include in released models, and believe . . . it is critically important that we are working closely with the US government to best protect the most capable models from efforts by adversaries and competitors to take US technology.”

OpenAI is battling allegations of its own copyright infringement from newspapers and content creators, including lawsuits from The New York Times and prominent authors, who accuse the company of training its models on their articles and books without permission. ""

Which of course is where we come back to your opening comment ....

[Frog222]

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[Frog222]

Trumpian FAFO !

[Frog222]

Performative government ?

"" In terms of what can be achieved sooner that could potentially create bankable short-term benefits, separate projects to expand Gatwick and Luton airports are well-advanced and could be signed off by the Transport Secretary within weeks.

The real value of backing a third runway at Heathrow is the less tangible but no less important signal to investors about the UK's attitude towards major infrastructure projects, say supporters.

The uncertainty over the construction of the HS2 high speed line under the previous Conservative government is widely believed to have undermined confidence in the country's ability to turn ambitious plans into reality.

A strong commitment to Heathrow expansion might help to reverse that perception.

Or it might not

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6p939y3d3o

[Frog222]

I had to wait for it, but this is my first LOL of the day --

[Frog222]

WATO 13.11 Chris Mason on RR speech " Business leaders sat in polite silence "

Growth Quotes from BOJO, Lettucewoman, Sunak ...

[AnatolyKasparov]

Performative government ?

"" In terms of what can be achieved sooner that could potentially create bankable short-term benefits, separate projects to expand Gatwick and Luton airports are well-advanced and could be signed off by the Transport Secretary within weeks.

The real value of backing a third runway at Heathrow is the less tangible but no less important signal to investors about the UK's attitude towards major infrastructure projects, say supporters.

The uncertainty over the construction of the HS2 high speed line under the previous Conservative government is widely believed to have undermined confidence in the country's ability to turn ambitious plans into reality.

A strong commitment to Heathrow expansion might help to reverse that perception.

Or it might not

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6p939y3d3o

I know not everyone will agree re Heathrow, but more generally the Reeves approach set out today is the correct one.

We have had managed stagnation and indeed decline, mainly for the benefit of boomers, for far too long.

And in particular - more reservoirs! Yes!!

[refitman]

Who needs Net Zero anyway? Just let the world burn.

[Frog222]

AK , IF we were in an era of Calm and Peace , Starmer and Reeves and Co might suffice . Voted in because they were Not Tories would have been enough .
As it happens we are very obviously not in Quiet Times and frankly I find them both almost completely lacking in brainz and the concomitant moral fibre.

Obviously if you ain't got the intellectual or just plain curious background to understand where our multi-dimensioned world is perhaps going you, then are not faced with difficult decisions needing that moral fibre ! You just bumble along playing by the old rules , which of course no longer exist.

That is my feeling confronted by ex-'BoE quite low-level employee' Reeves and legal technocrat Starmer who never hesitated to creep to the US State Department.

The sight of them brown-nosing to 'business' and 'international investors' is pitiful But unsurprising, as they honestly (?) do NOT believe that there is any alternative . OR of course they are purely a pair of cowardly or even venal opportunists .

[Frog222]

[refitman]

The prospective new US Health Sec thinks Lyme disease is a military biological weapon. We live in the hell timeline.

[refitman]

Remember when Starmer was on the side of climate campaigners? He wouldn't know a principle if it punched him in the balls.

[AnatolyKasparov]

There is more to the planet "burning" or not than Heathrow expansion.

Even on the most optimistic "green" scenarios, air travel is not going to become extinct.

[refitman]

Look at this muppet.

RWW should live up to their name and actually call it a Nazi salute though

[refitman]

There is more to the planet "burning" or not than Heathrow expansion.

Even on the most optimistic "green" scenarios, air travel is not going to become extinct.

He's a liar. All he's done is lie and screw over the people that need his help the most. At some point you're actually going to realise this and feel very foolish.