FlyTheNest

Morning all.

Aaargh,foiled again.

Good-morning, everyone

Sorry, couldn't sleep.

same here

Unhinged Mersey vetch advocates "No Deal" (6,5).

Gilsey's post last night linked below is interesting
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While I appreciate the careful thought and integrity of potential choices offered on a second referendum, I'm troubled by the content and sequence suggestedPlease correct me if I'm wrong but the potential first question posed first seems to be the same question being asked of MPs - May's 'Deal' or 'No Deal'
MPs are shoved into a corner with May's choices and it's wrong
Asking the electorate the same question first, May's Deal or No Deal, forcing people to choose between those two before asking whether or not people want to remain or continue on leaving doesn't seem right
I can't phrase this any better at the moment

leave us alone

a shameless, cynical, lying piece of work

The choices available aren't limited to 'May's Deal' or 'No Deal'

It's offensive how stupid they must think I am
worthless Tory government promises and pledges

Morning all.

Well this is interesting...you need to go through the links!

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1 ... 6095982592

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I saw that last night, May really is shameless.

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Would you be more comfortable if it said 'with the withdrawal agreement and transition period' or 'without the WA'? Serious question, not being snarky.
They're not voting on the future relationship for all Labour's disingenuousness.

Why isn't disingenuity a word?

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I didn't think you're being snarky and even if you were, so what? I trust you. We'd work it out.

The withdrawal agreement May has patched up with the EU allows May's government to continue
I'm unable to trust May and her allies in Parliament

She's given up on trying to get Labour to vote for it and is aiming all her fire at the ERG, in other words.

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There's an element to Labour's strategy which is almost akin to arguing they'd do a better job of polishing a turd than the Tories. For those that can see the turd for what it is, this is somewhat less than convincing because, as everybody knows, you can't polish a turd.

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“Of all the trees we could've hit, we had to get one that hits back.”

And that strategy suggests its all about minimising the scale of the defeat now.

Indeed - unusually I listened to Today this morning. There was a piece of analysis that suggested that if the defeat is modest, May will be able to go back to Brussels to secure further concessions, but that if the defeat is calamitous Brussels will essentially abandon her.

So maybe it's about getting more pro-EU Tories on board too. The less Moggy Moggists and the less Soubryesque Soubrettes if you like.

Indeed. Exhibit A...

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She's a minority government PM without a mandate and a serial liar. What can we do?

You could but choose not to
got it

hallelujah

I mean, that's almost Trump-like in its sheer shamelessness innit?

May is superficially more plausible than Trump and under no suspicion of being a Kremlin asset, although her behaviour on brexit would be no different if she were.
That's as far as the differences go imo.

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I did see a tweet the other day saying you can sprinkle glitter on it.

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Easier for them to abandon her that it is for us.

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Indeed!

A twitter goldmine.



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Here's what some Brexiteers said about the result of that referendum in 1997:

Nigel Evans: "It would have been better if the percentage majority in favour had been in double figures. That would have settled the issue once and for all, but it did not and it remains unsettled."

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Apparently she left the Wales bit out.

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Yes, I'm not watching Theresa May's Stoke speech. If I want to see a stubborn never-say-die effort that will almost certainly end in failure this week, I'll stick with the tennis.

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Ah, its a Caesarean - I did think that was giving her almost superhuman powers

Whether she did or didn't, it's all over the news! The BBC have

which deserves attention for its utter inelegance if nothing else!

Painful, isn't it?

The DUP and the "Brexiteers" say that, despite the latest letter from the EU, "Nothing has changed".

Sky News are, however, bizarrely suggesting that it might make a difference to some MPs' voting intentions.

a thought experiment
How would I feel about May and her government revoking Article 50 this week?
Confused and elated

My post (above) edited to add the second paragrph.

It would be a total and absolute humiliation for them, so could be celebrated on that level as well as being a "good" outcome more generally.

Somebody's just resigned.

Government whip Gareth Johnson...

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 6974488576

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It could also salvage their electoral chances

A bad boss makes workers endure harder workplace conditions
the workers are discontented and make plans to withdraw their labour
the boss starts blasting loud music
the workers complain about the loud music and demand it stops
the boss offers a referendum on continued loud music or stopping loud music
the workers vote the music stops
the boss stares at the ground and grudgingly agrees to stop the loud music
the workers are cheerful they've won
yet the workers still endure harder workplace conditions but don't complain about that anymore

Tory Brexit is just one of their god awful ideas

I've been anxious about current affairs, especially Brexit, for a long time but Tory government aren't good enough to lead nation and people regardless of what happens with Brexit
I've noticed when consistently bad leadership do something rather unexpectedly good for people, many people are justifiably pleased but stop when the immediate dangers are passed
I'm not we shouldn't be pleased when good happens
I'm saying we need to continue working for more than just unexpectedly good

Most people have to trade their time and effort for necessary and nice things
It takes a lot of time and energy demanding better

One of the last times I drove a car, I spent nearly three hours with hundreds of other people on a freeway in California at a dead stop. Most of us didn't get out of our vehicles because there wasn't any indication how long we'd be stuck there. The young people had their devices out trying to understand why we were at a standstill. The closest we got to an explanation was someone armed with a screwdriver had threatened pet store employees somewhere in the area and had fled the scene of this crime. Authorities had closed off roads in pursuit of this perpetrator. Suddenly the road cleared and we could drive on to our destinations. If I were planning to go to a union meeting, a non-violent protest rally or care for a friend in need, I wouldn't have been able to do so after having spent so long on a freeway with no way out. Not only was the time wasted, it was stressful as hell. I remember thinking about how easy it seemed to be to shut down freedom I'd taken for granted. I understand things of this nature don't happen all the time but I see nothing preventing mild catastrophes and worse. It seems a great way to keep people exhausted and docile.

oh my gracious lord

so, there are worse things than being stuck on a freeway for three hours going nowhere

From the article -



I, naturally, misread that . . .



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PTO